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From: "David Wilson" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] R1b some haplotypes & Possible Geographical Origin
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:31:27 -0700
In-Reply-To: <006901c56f79$fbb694e0$d4d3ae51@oemcomputer>


One quick comment after a hasty glance. Your Pickup and McManus motifs (Ht 1
and Ht4) are really parts of the same whole that is called the 25/11/14
variety of R1b after the dominant values at DYS390, 391 and 392. It also
happens to have 11,13 as dominant values at 385a,b rather than the R1b modal
11,14. This pattern probably evolved in Ireland within the last few thousand
years and moved to Scotland before the use of surnames was far developed. It
is found only rarely in England.

Here's a link to some additional descriptive material on this cluster:

Good luck with your approach. If you haven't studied the Capelli British
Isles data (links available on the page I mentioned), you might check it out
to see if you spot correlations for the groupings you noticed.

David Wilson
Wilson Surname Project Co-Administrator

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