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From: "Steven C. Perkins" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Campbell origin
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:27:31 -0500
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Mark:

Can you put that in plain English? Are you saying they are not R1b, or
they are a certain subset of R1b which is not native British Isles? What
are you trying to say here? What is your understanding of "dalriadic"
"brythonic", etc.

Thanks,

SCPerkins

At 12:39 PM 6/14/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Check the Clan Campbell genetic web site which hasn't changed substantially
>in the last year since I was in contact with them. It still concludes
>brythonic in analysis but shows the Campbell modal values as 22/25 with the
>Colla signature. That is pretty darn close for up to fifteen hundred years
>of mutation.
>
> Some Campbells are 20 at 458 but so also are one MacDonald from Knoydart
>and 4 McCutcheons from Skye. We have a MacDonald and a McCook( MacHugh,
>MacGough) at 19 for 458 but the Antrim McCookes are at the original 18. We
>have 12 385s at 11 15 named either MacDonald or McCutcheon( we have 27 at
>the original Colla value of 13 24 14 10 11 14). The mutations within our
>own dalriadic population are more than sufficient to explain the Campbell
>mutations.
>
>Sellar was thoughtful and analytical but didn't have the genetics. A
>dalriadic Campbell paternal blood line better explains why the Clan Donald
>chief Angus Mor was willing to marry the sister of a Campbell chief in the
>1200s( I believe it was MacAlein Mor's sister).
>
>As I said, as National Historian I didn't love the Campbell result but the
>science seems inescapable.
>
>Mark Mac Donald
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven C. Perkins [mailto:]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:08 AM
>To:
>Subject: [DNA] Campbell origin
>
>The following link http://www.ccsna.org/jsep11.htm summarises information
>in David Sellar's article, "The Earliest Campbells - Norman, Briton or
>Gael?", published in _Scottish Studies_, 17 (1973), 109-25. The article
>concludes that the Campbells are probably from the O'Duibne. Also see this
>site:
>http://www.irishclans.com/cgi-bin/net.Thread.pl/message/4/1/12/12?user=&emai
>l=&depth=4&detail=description&lastread=7
>
>Seemingly being a McDonald genetically, and a Campbell (Steven Curtis
>Campbell Creekmore Perkins) I am interested in knowing of any refutation of
>Sellar's conclusions.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steven C. Perkins
>
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