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From: "gareth.henson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] 464 Mutations
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:45:03 +0100
I don't know if this is relevant but sometime in the past 2 months we
discussed peak heights and it was commented that shorter alleles tend to
have higher peaks for the same number of copies. There is quite a gap
between the short 13 allele and the longer 18,19,20 alleles on the graph, I
wonder if the extra height on a single 13 could be mistaken for a double or
even triple result if there was only one other peak at the 18 mark.
In other words could your two 13,13,13,18 samples in fact be just 13,18?
Then these at least could be explained by a loss of two of the original four
copies which were probably 13,18,18,20. 13,18,19,20 is just 1 step from this
i.e. a normal mutation.
13,13,18,20 could be a misread of 13,18,18,20 if the 13 peak is large and
the 18 peak is small, or it could be one copy overwriting another.
Without seeing any graphs this is just guesswork but it seems at least as
reasonable as assuming that all the differences are due to mutations. Have
any of the group upgraded to 37 markers?
----- Original Message -----
From: "HOPE A. CARNICLE" <>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 3:49 AM
Subject: [DNA] 464 Mutations
> I've had some very unusual 464 variances among relatively close
> members of a family in my Freeman DNA project.
> This particular group are Q3...and results are for two uncles,
> 3 - 1st cousins and a nephew. When the first results came
> in with such wide variances, I asked FTDNA to recheck the
> numbers. I never got a definate response...but did get
> a message that it was being checked.
> The numbers are as follows:
> Kit Henry # 464-a,b,c,d
> 27302 1221 13,13,13,18
> 31018 12121 13,13,13,18
> 24479 1211 13,13,18,20
> 25206 111 13,18,18,20
> 26286 123 13,18,18,20
> 35265 1222 13,18,19,20
> The two older generations (the two uncles - 111/123) matched
> each other. Two of the first cousins are brothers (1221/1222)
> and do not match...but the nephew of their first cousin (1211)
> matched one of the brothers.
> I've seen one or even two mutations among family lines in
> other groupings in our project...but have never seen such
> wide swings as I've found in this particular group. All other markers
> matched 100%
> Hope Carnicle
> Freeman DNA Project