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From: David Wilson <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] PubMed abstract: German / Polish Y chromosomedistributions
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:02:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00)


There is less to this than meets the eye. When the researchers say R1*(xR1a1), they are basically defining R1b -- that is, anything in R1 except the haplotypes that are defined by M17. Since everything in that encompassing description EXCEPT R1b is vanishingly small, you are basically looking at R1b by default.

So the authors have basically drawn the R1a/Slavic -- R1b/Germanic distinction, to throw in a linguistic element. And I think we all kind of knew that already.

David Wilson

-----Original Message-----
From: ellen Levy <>
Sent: Jun 17, 2005 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] PubMed abstract: German / Polish Y chromosome distributions

If anyone has access and can forward me a copy, I
would truly appreciate it.

I'm particularly intrigued by the finding of R1* in
Germany. We had discussions on the List a few months
back regarding the rarity of R1* and R1a* in general,
making it difficult to pinpoint the origins of the
much more prolific R1a1. What kind of frequency of
R1* did the researchers report finding in Germany?
I'm also curious if the researchers found haplotype
distinctions in R1a1 between Germany & Poland.

Ellen Coffman

--- wrote:

> Hum Genet. 2005 Jun 16; [Epub ahead of print]
> Significant genetic differentiation between Poland
> and Germany follows
> present-day political borders, as revealed by
> Y-chromosome analysis.

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