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From: "Mark MacDonald" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Strathclyde British haplotype
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:19:52 -0500
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Of the three markers, 447, 439 and 448 Clan Donald populations have 20 who
are 24 at 447( including me); 14 of those 20 are among the 13 24 14 10
Colla group(vs 25 at the original 25 value for the dalriadic Collas), 3 of
the 20 are at 13 23 14 10 and 3 are at 13 23 14 11. Of the 14 who are 13 24
14 10s with 24 at 447, 4 are also 18 at 448. Thus I question these values as

The 13 25 14 11 MacDonalds are often 11 at 439; another group of 13 25 14
11 MacDonalds are 18 at 448. We have interpreted that latter group as
related to McInnis of eastern Ulster. There is no MacDonald which is both
11 at 439 and 18 at 448; those are mutually exclusive groups.

I have three Glencoe MacDonalds who are both 11 at 439 and 18 at 448.

Accordingly, Peter although I would like markers differentiating dalriada
from strathclyde, we aren't there yet.

Mark MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter A. Kincaid [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: [DNA] Strathclyde British haplotype

The following is not science in anyway! However, I am hoping
to get some feedback on some of you who have done
some ethnic group analysis and have a few numbers on

I first went on the assumption that the Strathclyde Britons
were R1b. Next I assumed that the Kincaids may be
indicative of a haplotype to the Strathclyde region. I
then compared this to those 25 marker results in the Ysearch
database from Wales. Looking for steady markers I noted
the following as being most common among those I examined.


The first two are a given for R1b. Any thoughts on the last
three markers (ie. in comparison to other groups)?

Best wishes!


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