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From: "Andrew and Inge" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Strathclyde British haplotype
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:35:27 +0200
The second and main component in the name MacWhirter is Brythonic not Gaelic
(though this does not necessarily mean the family was). The name was
originally MacChruter, MacChruiter or M'Churteer etc. Black writes: "The
chruit (W. crwth) was an old Welsh strignged instrument, four of its six
strings played with a bow, two twitched by the thumb."
The Mac means only "son of" and because Gaelic was a language used for
communication between the different peoples of Scotland for some time, does
not necessarily signify ethnicity. Later, when English took over the same
role Black reports that some MacChruiters became Harpers or Harpersons.
Concerning the older forms of this surname it is interesting that there is
one perfect 25/25 match between a Carter and a MacWhirter. (They are 23/25
with my own E3b.) The Carter lived at a time when one of the richest men in
America was a Carter and he seems to have let it look like he was related,
though DNA shows that he was not; so he may have changed name. DNA has also
led to the conclusion that one of his family fathered a branch of Matlocks
who lived nearby. The DNA even led to the discovery of a maintenance order.
At this time both the E3b Carter and the E3b McWhorter are alone in their
surname projects. The Carter participant is upgrading to 37 markers, as are
some of the Matlocks, but James McWhorter seems to have changed e-mail
From: Peter A. Kincaid [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, 17 June 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Strathclyde British haplotype
However, based on the surname, they are clearly not of
Strathclyde British origin. The use of Mc and Mac is
Q Celtic. The Strathclyde British were P Celtic.