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From: "David Wilson" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Surname Tolliver -- DNA evidence
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:43:30 -0700
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I won't discuss findings that are the prerogative of the Taliaferro DNA
Project coordinator to introduce, but I can make a couple of general
observations. The implications have been summarized in internet postings on
genealogical web sites anyway, so all I am doing is repeat for the benefit
of this list information that has already been published/posted elsewhere.

The Taliaferros of VA are patrilineally unrelated to the Tollivers of
northwestern NC (Wilkes Co. and environs). In addition, the picture
concerning the "five Tolliver brothers" of NC is ambiguous. Descendants of
four of these Tollivers are R1b. Descendants of the fifth, my ancestor John
Tolliver, are E3b2. There is apparently no chance of an intervening NPE in
John's line. Among the tested Tollivers are descendants of two different
sons of John. Triangulation means John had to have been an E3b2. Perhaps he
was a half brother of the four others, or perhaps he was adopted.

There are also E3b1 Taliaferros (so spelled).

All Taliaferro/Toliver haplotypes in Ysearch appear to be R1b, but I don't
think it is the case that they can all be connected to the NC Tollivers
(excluding John, the E3b2 guy).

There is an infrequently encountered Spanish surname Tolivar. Since E3b2 in
Europe is localized in Spain and Portugal (and perhaps more strongly in
Portugal, based on YHRD records), that may be where the ancestors of John
Tolliver b. 1785 came from. But then how do we explain the R1b status of his

David Wilson

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale E. Reddick [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Surname Tolliver

Just a further comment on the Taliaferro surname.

There is a Taliaferro County in Georgia. The pronunciation seems to be
split - Taliaferro versus Tolliver.

I had a high school classmate in nearby Richmond Co. and her surname was
spelled Taliaferro. However, she and her brother pronounced it "Tolliver."

Lots of behavioral plasticity is evident with the treatment of this surname.


Dale E. Reddick


>In a message dated 6/21/2005 7:01:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>Are you aware that TOLLIVER in many parts of the south is a distorted
>form of the Italian name TALIAFERRO? The first Taliaferro of whom I am
>aware was in colonial Virginia; he was an Italian Protestant.
>Mary Jo Neyer
>As further info re Taliaferro, etc., the family immigrated to America from
>England where it was existing in the 1500s. My interest in it only comes
>a Taliaferro-Wingfield marriage ca. 1690. One Martha Wingfield died in
>Boston, MA, ca 1709 where she made her will, and named her daughter Sarah
>Taliaferro in Virginia. There were also Taliaferro grandchildren of
Martha in
>Virginia. Martha had with her at the time of her death a large fortune in
>One Taliaferro family website is at
>Lee Preston, President, Wingfield Family Society
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