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From: "musso1" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Genographic Project Y-12 Results
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:04:35 -0500
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Thanks Bonnie. I've ordered a 37-marker test from FTDNA (since they already
have my sample from the Genographic Project). It looks like I've found a new

I'm grateful to the Genographic Project for introducing me to this whole
field, and I applaud their goals. But I think it's a little misleading for
them to simply label me E3b and make a blanket statement like "Members of
haplogroup E3b bear witness to the great Neolithic migrations out of the
Middle East....The marker is common in southern Italy, southeast Europe and
northern Africa....". The story is really much more complex.

I wish they would have qualified their conclusion by informing me that the
E3b haplogroup has numerous subgroups each of which appears to have its own
distinct migratory pattern. But maybe they're just trying to keep things
simple. I have to admit, it was kind of fun finding that out for myself. I
have a lot more to learn, and I'm really looking forward to it. Thanks again
for your encouragement.

Jim Musso

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Schrack" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:05 AM
Subject: [DNA] Genographic Project Y-12 Results

> Hi Jim,
> You wrote:
> > My grandfather on my father's side was born and raised in Sicily
> > before emigrating to the US. He spoke Italian and always considered
> > himself to be Sicilian. If I'm understanding the various studies
> > correctly, E3b/M35 is rarely found in Europe. Could it be that I'm
> > actually in one of the subgroups of E3b, and the Genographic Project
> > and its test simply isn't making that level of distinction? Is there
> > any further test I can take that would definitively nail down the
> > exact subgroup I'm in?
> I suspect you'll receive many replies to your query. Just to give you
> something very quick, they are only going to give you the basic levels
> of distinction in the Genographic Project, at this point, and anyway,
> with only 12 markers, it can be tricky to do a lot more than that.
> However, our E3b experts such as Ellen Coffman may be able to give you
> an estimate of your clade (subgroup).
> Some clades of E3b are not at all uncommon in Europe, and if there is
> anywhere E3b clades would be extremely typical, it would be Sicily. You
> have a perfectly Sicilian result.
> We are awaiting the availability of more direct tests for the SNP
> markers that define the specific clades. A list member, David Faux, is
> starting a company to do just that.
> In the meantime, the best thing you can do if you're interested in
> refining the estimate of your haplogroup, would be to have more markers
> tested by one of the other companies. Have as many done as you can
> afford, and these results will help us give you the best estimates of
> which group you belong to, and which families you are most closely
> related to.
> There are other southern Italian families who have had DNA tests, which
> you might want to check out. Especially Louis Loccisano, who has tested
> not just one, but all of his eight grandparents lines, many of whom were
> from Calabria. He has at least one E3b line. You can read about some of
> the results here:
> If you write to Louis, he'll tell you more about his results.
> Best of luck with your family history research! Good to have you on
> board, and I hope you stick around,
> Bonnie
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