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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Free the P38
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:43:23 -0600
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Ann, I think one of those is P30 and the other P40 --- for I1a and I1a1.

P38 seems to be the "c" appearing in 4 places for (by memory) the I1a
haplotype, two I1b haplotypes, and strangely the YCC61 haplotype which walks
and talks and looks like an old I1c haplotype but which FTDNA renamed I2
because presumably they had evidence that M223+ haplotypes were P38-?

I'm flying blind here a little because I can't get Butler's list of 20
marker haplotypes to come up on the web.

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Subject: Re: [DNA] Free the P38

> In a message dated 6/29/05 11:00:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
> > Ann, Is there another name for "position 922 of clone 3=11" that us
> > laypeople might recognize?
> >
> No, I'm just reading it off the same table that Dennis used to suggest
> P38 could be identified, page 1498 of this citation. Dennis may have used
> additional resources, which is why I asked how he figured P38 out.
> the YCC63 sample, which is labeled P40, in the 2002 tree has two mutations
> the ARSDP pseudo-gene, so my reading of that table would mean we still
> know the SNP that defines P40. I may not be interpreting this correctly --
> await further enlightenment :)
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