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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Additional markers
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:16:24 -0600
I checked YHRD database of all Europe. The 22/10 if it is R1b did not seem
concentrated anywhere. It was uniformly present at about the 1 percent or
lower level just about everywhere. That would imply it is a mutation which
occurs here and there at a low level from the modal R1b.
What is your DYS388? It should be 12 for R1b but would probably be 14 if
you are I1a. And I assume you have 13,13 at DYS392,393?
22/10 is the modal value for I1a.
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From: "Sharon Bryant" <>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 8:33 AM
Subject: [DNA] Additional markers
> My son's test results came back (12 markers-on a shoestring here) with a
rare combination of 390/391 as 22/10. Eldon Wade was kind enough to tell me
that this combo is "most concentrated in Friesland (North Holland) and
Schlesnig-Holstein (Northern Germany).
> I have ordered the upgrade to 25 markers and am wondering if there are any
specific alleles in 13-25 which would illuminate this
Friesland/Schlesnig-Holstein concentration? Anything I should be looking
for, in other words.
> The surname is Trail (Fife) or Trail(l) in Orkney. As of this date, the
Traill surname project is very small, just getting off the ground. Electric
Scotland's writeup on the surname says: "They are said to be of Viking
descent, at first settling in Brittany, but sometime after conversion to
Christianity in the 5th century and probably as late as the 11th century,
their difficulties with the French became too much and they moved to
Scotland in the time of Malcolm Canmore and his Queen Margaret."
> Does all of this correlate in some fashion with the 22/10 combo at
390/391? I admit I'm grasping at straws but my son's estimate of R1b is the
first I've seen with this combination of numbers.
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