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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: The "No I1b in Scandinavia" Mystery
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 12:16:23 -0600
I found 301 core Dinaric I1b haplotypes in YHRD spread around in Europe. The main haplotype was 16,24,(14,15),11,13, (13,31) at DYS19,390,385a,b,392,393,389i,ii
Neighboring haplotypes DYS19 = 15 or 17 and 389i,ii = 13,30 and 13,32 of decent population were included.
Only 2 of the 301 haplotypes were found in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, or Finland databases. These Scandinavian databases add up to over 1600 haplotypes. So we're talking less than 1 in 800 being I1b.
I1b reaches Poland in good number; there is a sprinkling of I1b throughout Germany; The Baltic countries and Ukraine have decent I1b numbers. And of course it gets thicker as you approach the Balkans.
Why so minimal I1b in Scandinavia? Today I1b and R1a are well mixed in Eastern Europe. We know lots of R1a reached Norway and Sweden, and somewhat less Denmark and Finland. How did the R1a get to Scandinavia in the numbers it did without bringing more I1b with it? The R1a in Scandinavia comes in both the Slavic type as well as the unique forms found most heavily there, and perhaps homehatched or hatched in Central Asia. The almost complete absence of I1b in Scandinavia is telling us something important about the ancient movement of peoples, but I hasten to add I don't know what?