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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Labelling table cells with marker name
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:56:31 -0600
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Debi, You probably missed my original message. I was really appealing to project managers to produce results tables which are easy for a visitor to scan efficiently. So I should of never put out my later message that I did not understand what they were talking about in specific application detail when they offered solutions. Their messages were for project managers, not me; I should not have responded. I am asked 10 times a day to go to some random project results page and consider some haplotype. I would never consider doing all this stuff each time I visit a new project table (there are over 2000 projects) in order to read more easily one or two haplotypes. On the other hand someone today showed me how I could take a table I really wanted to study over the long haul, and convert it to an excel file which I can then reorganize to my heart's content. I hope I remember the few steps the next time I want to try this. I did it with my "Hamilton" table and it seemed straighforward. It's always straightforward rather than rocket science. But my problem is I can't remember all the specific steps for use later because I never see why THE way is compelling rather than a million other possible ways. I can't remember facts unless put into a bigger matrix of principles, so I am generally lost in running around in my PC. So you see I can't forward any table to you. I don't know which of the 2000 project tables out there I'll be asked tomorrow to go to to see a haplotype. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debi JS" <> To: <> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [DNA] Labelling table cells with marker name > Me again, Ken. > > If you'll forward the table to me, I can insert extra row labels throughout > the document and/or the title elements. Then I can show you how to open the > table in HTML Kit, view the <td cell> stuff, etc. > > Better yet, go to > http://members.cox.net/stewart-dna/DNA%20Results%20New.shtml in Internet > Explorer. Click View on your IE Toolbar, then click Source. Notepad should > then open showing the markup code for that page. (If you use Firefox or > Mozilla, I can look for the instructions to do the same using them.) > > It would not be a trivial exercise for you to add title="DYS 393" or > whatever to EACH <td cell> on that page as you can see if Notepad opened for > you. However, it is relatively trivial to copy and paste from a template row > labels for all DYS locations for 12, 25, 37 or 43 yDNA tests in whichever > order a particular testing company or database displays them. > > For the page at Cox, this would be the template for row labels: > > > <tr> > <td align="center" valign="middle">Earliest Ancestor</td> > <td align="center" valign="middle">Kit #</td> > <td align="center" valign="middle">Predicted Haplogroup</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 3 9 3</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 3 9 0</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 1 9</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 3 9 1</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 3 8 5 a</td> > <td align="center" bgcolor="#c0c0c0" > valign="top">D Y S 3 8 5 b</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 2 6</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 3 8 8</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 3 9</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 3 8 9 i</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 3 9 2</td> > <td align="center" bgcolor="#c0c0c0" > valign="top">D Y S 3 8 9 i i</td> > <td align="center" bgcolor="#c0c0c0" > valign="top">D Y S 4 5 8</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 5 9 a</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 5 9 b</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 5 5</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 5 4</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 4 7</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 3 7</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 4 8</td> > <td align="center" bgcolor="#c0c0c0" > valign="top">D Y S 4 4 9</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 4 a</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 4 b</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 4 c</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 4 d</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 4 e</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 4 f</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 4 g</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 0</td> > <td align="center" > valign="top">D Y S G A T A H 4</td> > <td align="center" > valign="top">D Y S Y C A I I a</td> > <td align="center" > valign="top">D Y S Y C A I I b</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 5 6</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 6 0 7</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 5 7 6</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 5 7 0</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S C D Y a</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S C D Y b</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 4 2</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 3 8</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 2 5</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 1</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 2</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 3</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">G A T A A 1 0</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">G A T A C 4</td> > <td align="center" > valign="top">G G A A T 1 B 0 7</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 4 1</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 4 4</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 4 5</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 4 6</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 5 2</td> > <td align="center" valign="top">D Y S 4 6 3</td> > </tr> > > These roughly correspond to Dean McGee's Y-DNA Comparison Utility, not most > surname project websiste tables, though. > > In other words, there isn't an easy way for YOU to do all of this. List > members are suggesting that the webmaster for each project include the mouse > tool tips in their code or use a frame that stays put at the top of a > browser page as one scrolls to see the various rows in a table, or insert > additional row labels using a template such as the one I've pasted above for > my page. > > I'm willing to correspond in more depth if you think it would help you? Or > to create and insert row labels--if I can--if you forward the tables to me > or send me the links if the tables are online. At this point, I don't know > what type of tables you are viewing and would need to see them to know how > to help you. > > Debi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <> > To: <> > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: [DNA] Labelling table cells with marker name > > > | It sounds like an excellent idea, and no doubt trivial to those who know > | what is being suggested (I have seen hidden messages when hovering), but I > | have not the slightest idea what is being suggested as practical steps to > | implement. Can't these things be explained without all the jargon? > | > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Glen Todd" <> > | To: <> > | Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 5:40 PM > | Subject: RE: [DNA] Labelling table cells with marker name > | > | > | > > | > > There's a trivial solution if page authors will use it. > | > > > | > > Table Data cells are labelled with <TD> ... </TD> tags. > | > > Add a title attribute to each one with the marker name. > | > > e.g.: <TD TITLE="389i">13</TD> > | > > Do this for each marker as a template haplotype without data, > | > > then copy the template and enter marker values as each new > | > > result comes back. > | > > > | > > With this, when your mouse hovers over the cell, the marker > | > > name will show in status bar and/or a tooltip. (It even > | > > works in Windows when the page is not in the window in focus.) > | > > | > Excellent idea. > | > > | > Glen > > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >