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From: "Eric Olson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b: DSY #19 = 15
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:34:41 -0700
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Surely there is a better way to present test results of a set of 37 markers.

Eric Olson

----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b: DSY #19 = 15


> Thanks, David!
>
> This is my 37-marker panel. I'd appreciate any interpretation. Our
> story: My ancetor came from Scotland to the USA about 1775 (we believe).
> The McGills had old Irish roots before AD 1000.
> 3
> 9
> 01
> 93
> 9
> 13
> 8
> 5
> a3
> 8
> 5
> b4
> 2
> 63
> 8
> 84
> 3
> 93
> 8
> 9
> |
> 13
> 9
> 23
> 8
> 9
> |
> 24
> 5
> 84
> 5
> 9
> a4
> 5
> 9
> b4
> 5
> 54
> 5
> 44
> 4
> 74
> 3
> 74
> 4
> 84
> 4
> 94
> 6
> 4
> a4
> 6
> 4
> b4
> 6
> 4
> c4
> 6
> 4
> d4
> 6
> 0G
> A
> T
> A
>
> H
> 4Y
> C
> A
>
> I
> I
>
> aY
> C
> A
>
> I
> I
>
> b4
> 5
> 66
> 0
> 75
> 7
> 65
> 7
> 0C
> D
> Y
>
> aC
> D
> Y
>
> b4
> 4
> 24
> 3
> 8
> 1James McGill, b. Stoneykirk, Wigt. 1754
> Scotland-1324151111131212121314291791011112515183016161617121119221716191835391212
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Wilson <>
> To:
> Sent: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:42:06 -0700
> Subject: RE: [DNA] R1b: DSY #19 = 15
>
>
> Ted,
>
> Interesting haplotype. The two values you marked with an asterisk are
> typical of the "Irish" variety of R1b, which typically has DYS392=14 (very
> distinctive, as the dominant value in R1b is 13) and DYS385b=13 (not
> necessarily rare, but the full 385a,b doublet of 11,13 is heavily
> correlated
> with the "Irish" variety.)
>
> Where you differ from "Irish" is at DYS390, where you have 24 instead of
> the
> usually seen 25, and DYS19, where you have the rare 15 instead of the
> usual
> 14 (prevalent in all R1b, whether Irish or not).
>
> Did you test more than 12 markers? If so, please consider posting them
> here.
> Your haplotype might be mutating either toward or away from the modal
> "Irish" pattern.
>
> David Wilson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:47 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b: DSY #19 = 15
>
> Thanks for the reply. Interesting that my markers should be similar: 13,
> 24, 15, 11, 11, *13, 12 ,12, 12, 13, *14, 29 ...
>>Ted
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitzi <>
> To:
> Sent: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:05:24 -0700
> Subject: [DNA] R1b: DSY #19 = 15
>
>
> A value of 15 for DSY#19 occurs 6% of the time according to
> http://worldfamilies.net/Super%20Western%20Atlantic%20Modal%20Haplotype.htm
>
> Our Clark line has this variation on the 12 marker Atlantic Modal
> Haplotype.
>
> I have checked many of the approximately 55 (other surname) 12 marker
> matches and found that the matches didn't hold up at 25 markers. So is
> this
> variation of the common value of 14 not significant?
>
> CLARK: 13, 24, 15, 11, 11, 14, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 29 16, 9, 10, 11, 11,
> 25,
> 14, 18, 29, 15, 15, 16, 18
>
> According to Whit's calculator:
> Clark 25 markers R1b 70%
> 12 markers R1b 79%
>
> Mitzi Clark Bateman
>
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