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From: "David Zincavage" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ethnic Migrations Across Europe
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:44:27 -0700
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I am 15, 25, 10 myself. My paternal ancestors resided for some centuries in
the southwest portion of Lithuania, the part of the former Palatinate of
Trock which went to Prussia in the Third Partition of 1795, which was
subsequently incorporated into the Napoleonic Duchy of Warsaw in 1807, and
which was part of the subsequent Congress Kingdom of Poland. Linguistic
evidence (i.e. usage of the Dzukish dialect of Lithuanian thereabouts)
suggests that they originated in Eastern Lithuania. They probably
participated in the late 16th-early 17th century recolonialization of the
region of Sudavia, depopulated in the wars (1200-1466) with the Teutonic
Order, which had, during its unihabited centuries, become a forest
wilderness used as a royal hunting preserve by the Lithuanian princes. My
family is suspected of being a cadet branch of the Zienkiewicz family
recorded as residing near Oszmiany (formerly part of the palatinate of
Wilno, currently in Belarus).

David Zincavage (Americanized spelling of Zienkiewicz)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ethnic Migrations Across Europe


> David Z,
>
> The most Polish R1a seems to be the motif 17,25,10 at DYS19,390,391 with
> 16,25,10 a close second.
>
> The most Russian R1a seems to be the motif 16,25,11 at these markers
>
> The most South Slav or Balkan R1a seems to be the motif 16,24,11 at these
> markers
>
> Eastern Germany and NW Poland tend to have more percentage of DYS19 = 15
R1a
> than these other areas (closer to Scandinavian R1a).
>
> But don't overdo your trust in these short modal differences. There is
lots
> of mixing, especialy in the boundary zones. In my first attempt to find
> other markers in the extended haplotypes of Sorenson which would further
> isolate the various Slav R1a types from each other, I failed.
>
> Interestingly, Ukraine (Kiev) looks more like a compromise between Russian
> and South Slav than it does Polish. Is this where the Balkan Slavs came
> from?
>
> I don't have Vilnius included in my tabulation sheet. But you can find
that
> information at YHRD website in a couple of ways.
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Zincavage" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Ethnic Migrations Across Europe
>
>
> > I'd be very interested in the definitions of the Polish and Russian
> > motifs.
> > I'm Lithuanian myself.
> >
> > David Zincavage
> >
>
>
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