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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ethnic Migrations Across Europe
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:20:29 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <00c601c5bd72$a30cbe90$84139a8e@PeterAKincaid>


I think the bigger problem here is equating R1a with
Slavic ancestry, whether it pertains to the Wallaces
or others of British ancestry.

Historically, the Slavs do not even emerge from
obscurity until the 6-7th century. The history of the
proto-Slavs is still very controversial. So tracing
someone's DNA back 2000 years and calling it "Slavic"
is rather misleading. There are many, many peoples
possessing high frequencies of R1a that clearly do not
have "Slavic" ancestry and never did - the people of
India, for example.

I would suggest that a more accurate and fair less
misleading designation for R1a deep ancestry would be
"Eastern European/Central Asian" since most
researchers believe that this haplogroup originated in
this area. However, this does little justice to
Scandinavian R1a.

Ellen Coffman

--- "Peter A. Kincaid" <> wrote:

> First of all, from what I see of the results to date
> there is just one
> R1a. The bulk of the Wallaces are given as R1b and
> I.
>
> Secondly, we do can't have direct male decendants of
> William Wallace
> tested as there are none. Thus, it is impossible to
> infer his haplotype.
>
> As far as other Wallaces we have no way of knowing
> if near male
> Wallace relatives were affected by a non paternity
> event; or even
> William Wallace himself for that matter. I gave you
> one example
> where the head of one Clan is descended from another
> family.
>
> Again I will hold to my position that unless can
> find and test one
> of the pieces of William Wallace then the only
> assertion that can
> be made is that he was British.
>
> Peter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg W. Moore" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Ethnic Migrations Across Europe
>
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > In the genealogical terms - certainly YES. But,
> because the present
> > Wallace family reports the R1a haplogroup the
> speculation at the time
> > (November 2004) was that ethnically he came from
> the R1a Slavic aeras
> > some, may be, two thousand years ago ...
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > "Peter A. Kincaid" <> wrote:
> >
>
............................................................................
> >
> >
> > William Wallace's last name points to a British
> origin. His place of abode
> > points to a British origin. Unless one finds one
> of "his pieces" to do a
> > DNA test I believe his ethnic origin has to remain
> what has been
> > accepted - British.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
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