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From: "Edward Felstead" <>
Subject: Re: Felstead TMRCA, hg E3b (was Re: [DNA] SMGF adjustments to FTDNA values)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:13:17 +0100
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Thank you Andrew for the links
I will get on with right away!
Best wishes
Edward
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From: "Andrew and Inge" <>
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:24 AM
Subject: Felstead TMRCA, hg E3b (was Re: [DNA] SMGF adjustments to FTDNA values)


> Concerning E3b modals for any normal FT DNA markers (which include 448 and
> 449), John McEwan's analysis can be helpful.
> http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/37strallhapejqnir1a.pdf (A Felstead
> appears on this tree in the cluster called E3bSTR2. John gets a modal of 20
> and 32 for 448 and 449 in all E3b clusters except one, E3bSTR3, which has
> DYS449=33.)
>
> The ysearch numbers can be used to see full haplotypes at www.ysearch.org
>
> You could also look at the E3b project which is on FT DNA. It is one of the
> "geographical" projects.
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/freemanDNAProject/
>
> The modals for 448 and 449 seem to be 20 and 32 on this list of 38 members.
>
> Whenever I have done bigger extractions from the ysearch database I got the
> same values. Between 18 and 21 for 448 and between 29 and 33 for 449.
>
> These are probably modals for a Northern European sub-group of E3b because
> it should always be kept in mind that E3b is much more common and diverse in
> south east Europe.
>
> For C4 you'll have to look to www.ybase.org or http://smgf.org - for example
> by putting in some of the typical E3b values and then seeing what C4 values
> people have.
>
> Regards
> Andrew
>
>
> ====
> From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> Subject: Re: Felstead TMRCA, hg E3b (was Re: [DNA] SMGF adjustments to FTDNA
> values)
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:26:49 -0600
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> Someone studying subclade E3b may know if it has some strong modals at the
> markers 448, 449, and C4m and what they may be? If the differences in these
> markers for the 4 haplotypes by themselves are basically neutral in
> providing evidence of which values are closer to the common ancestor, I'd
> argue that the values closest to the modals for that subclade are the more
> likely values for the common ancestor.
>
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