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From: "John McEwan" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] HAPLOGROUP I SUBCLADES , PARTIAL RESULTS
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:27:43 +1200
Dear David, Ken, and Hayward
Looked like a challenge to me, so checked the 2XGMH haplotype out with
the modals I got from the phase 3 analysis
The closest modal match is an F with 24 mismatches, than a Q with 25,
than an I1c with 26 .... using infinite allele model
Using the hybrid mutation model it is F haplogroup with a distance of
48, Q with 49, I1c with 51 ....
So... Hayward I think you have a very rare haplogroup (for public STR
databases). Based on STRs alone I don't think that a good decision can
be made for single SNP tests and I would start by using the
http://www.ethnoancestry.com/Prod17.html product and taking advantage of
their $75 introductory offer.
Of course I could have overlooked the obvious :-)
Hayward, I will send you the actual results I obtained directly. For
other lurkers to the list the process I followed has been described in a
with the exception that I used the modals from the phase 3 analysis i.e.
From: David F Reynolds [mailto:]
Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2005 3:04 p.m.
Subject: Re: [DNA] HAPLOGROUP I SUBCLADES , PARTIAL RESULTS
This is 2XGMH at ysearch.
I looked at SMGF's tables of allele frequencies for some of the unusual
values, just for grins.
YCAII=16-20 0.0 (not listed)
DYS448=15 0.0 (not listed)
DYS385=18-19 0.000888823 (12/12634 samples)
DYS456=12 0.001620245 (21/12691 samples)
DYS449=35 0.003422793 (44/12855 samples)
DSY447=21 0.004828241 (61/12634 samples)
DYS390=20 0.005035009 (64/12711 samples)
DYS455=10 0.021907519 (280/12781 samples)
Be interesting to see what the rest of the SNPs reported by EA will be.
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:26:34 -0700, Ken Nordtvedt
> I can't recall seeing so many extremely unusual repeat values in one
> haplotype. I will watch with interest as people offer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hayward" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:48 PM
> Subject: [DNA] HAPLOGROUP I SUBCLADES , PARTIAL RESULTS
>> First time posting on the list; I recently received partial results
>> Ethnoancestry for Hap I subclade test; from looking at some
>> post I thought it was I1c. I am a novice at this point. There were
>> matches at all via y-search,FTDNA, Whit's predictor or any other
>> predictor site.
>> M223 (Negative)
>> P37 (Negative)
>> 393=14, 390=20, 19=14, 391=10, 385a=18, 385b=19, 426=12, 388=13,
>> 389-1=14, 392=12,
>> 389-2=31, 458=15, 459a=8, 459b=9, 455=10, 454=11, 447=21, 437=14,
>> 449=35, 464a=15
>> 464b=15, 464c=15, 464d=17, 460=10, Gatah4=9, YCAIIa=16, YCAIIb=20,
>> 456=12, 607=13, 576=17
>> 570=16, CDYa=32, CDYb=37, 442=12, 438=11,
>> Maybe some of the Hap I experts can glance these haplotypes and give
>> heads up to what results I might get.
>> Thanks so much;
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