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Subject: Re: [DNA] HAPLOGROUP I SUBCLADES , PARTIAL RESULTS
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:26:18 +0100
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Hayward & List

another possibility is haplogroup C which includes subgroups with very low
values (20 & under) for DYS390 combined with higher values (13+) for DYS388.
The 20-10-12-14 pattern at DYS390/1/2/3 is modal for Maoris tested M208+ (hg
C2b) (ref 2004 paper by Zhivotovsky), but they had DYS19 = 16 and DYS388 =
15.

Your ysearch entry says National Geographic labelled the results M170 - was
this SNP definitely tested or just predicted?

I agree this is one for the multiplex test. Please let us know if you get
any further results.

Gareth

----- Original Message -----
From: "John McEwan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:27 AM
Subject: RE: [DNA] HAPLOGROUP I SUBCLADES , PARTIAL RESULTS


> Dear David, Ken, and Hayward
>
> Looked like a challenge to me, so checked the 2XGMH haplotype out with
> the modals I got from the phase 3 analysis
> http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/ using
> http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html
>
> The closest modal match is an F with 24 mismatches, than a Q with 25,
> than an I1c with 26 .... using infinite allele model
>
> Using the hybrid mutation model it is F haplogroup with a distance of
> 48, Q with 49, I1c with 51 ....
>
> So... Hayward I think you have a very rare haplogroup (for public STR
> databases). Based on STRs alone I don't think that a good decision can
> be made for single SNP tests and I would start by using the
> http://www.ethnoancestry.com/Prod17.html product and taking advantage of
> their $75 introductory offer.
>
> Of course I could have overlooked the obvious :-)
>
> Hayward, I will send you the actual results I obtained directly. For
> other lurkers to the list the process I followed has been described in a
> previous posting
> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2005-09/1127038019
> with the exception that I used the modals from the phase 3 analysis i.e.
> http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/p3modal.htm
>
> Cheers
>
> John McEwan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David F Reynolds [mailto:]
> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2005 3:04 p.m.
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA] HAPLOGROUP I SUBCLADES , PARTIAL RESULTS
>
> This is 2XGMH at ysearch.
>
> I looked at SMGF's tables of allele frequencies for some of the unusual
> values, just for grins.
> YCAII=16-20 0.0 (not listed)
> DYS448=15 0.0 (not listed)
> DYS385=18-19 0.000888823 (12/12634 samples)
> DYS456=12 0.001620245 (21/12691 samples)
> DYS449=35 0.003422793 (44/12855 samples)
> DSY447=21 0.004828241 (61/12634 samples)
> DYS390=20 0.005035009 (64/12711 samples)
> DYS455=10 0.021907519 (280/12781 samples)
>
> Be interesting to see what the rest of the SNPs reported by EA will be.
>
> Regards,
> david
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hayward" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:48 PM
> > Subject: [DNA] HAPLOGROUP I SUBCLADES , PARTIAL RESULTS
> >
> >
> >> First time posting on the list; I recently received partial results
> from
> >> Ethnoancestry for Hap I subclade test; from looking at some
> previous
> >> post I thought it was I1c. I am a novice at this point. There were
> no
> >> matches at all via y-search,FTDNA, Whit's predictor or any other
> y-hap
> >> predictor site.
> >>
> >> M223 (Negative)
> >>
> >> P37 (Negative)
> >>
> >> 393=14, 390=20, 19=14, 391=10, 385a=18, 385b=19, 426=12, 388=13,
> 439=12,
> >> 389-1=14, 392=12,
> >>
> >> 389-2=31, 458=15, 459a=8, 459b=9, 455=10, 454=11, 447=21, 437=14,
> 448=15,
> >> 449=35, 464a=15
> >>
> >> 464b=15, 464c=15, 464d=17, 460=10, Gatah4=9, YCAIIa=16, YCAIIb=20,
> >> 456=12, 607=13, 576=17
> >>
> >> 570=16, CDYa=32, CDYb=37, 442=12, 438=11,
> >>
> >> Maybe some of the Hap I experts can glance these haplotypes and give
> me a
> >> heads up to what results I might get.
> >>
> >> Thanks so much;
> >> Hayward;


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