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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Any More M284 (I1c1) Results?
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:11:06 -0600
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I appreciate very much Ethnoancestry's interest in and willingness to work
with those of us interested in doing these population subclade studies. I
will work hard to find you well over a couple orders for both P78 and P95.
They happen to both look like they are in the midst of continental I1c (the
largest part of I1c) but definitely different types within. This shows
most, as I touched on in message to Anne, by their different DYS464 motifs
which is supported by a Ysearch count at this marker which shows the 2
motifs.

There are many possible scenarios which we on the list can straighten out
way before any academic study gets to such detail. For instance, M223
presently defines I1c. Are P78 and P95 both just upstream or are they
downstream of M223, or one up and one down, etc.? We might expect from
tidbits of different evidence that they are both downstream, but that is by
no means certain. Remember, a couple months ago we only had the FTDNA tree
to tell us that P78 and P95 were with question marks at one of a number of
places in the haplogroup I tree. Now we can be pretty confident that they
both lie within I1c.

Ken


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Faux" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Any More M284 (I1c1) Results?


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> Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:
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> <snipped> When things settle down at Ethnoancestry and Dr. Wilson has more
> time, they may offer P78 as a new SNP in I1c. This haplotype which is P78+
> is YCC61 in Butler's list (viewable via Garvey's site) and came from
> Germany.
>
> Ken
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> Ken et al.:
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> Things have settled very nicely at EA. Dr. Wilson told me that if someone
> were to promise two participants to take the tests, he will develop P78
> and P95. This is a very bad business decision (that is why I have been
> balking), but wearing my genetic genealogist hat I have decided in
> consultation with Dr. Wilson that we will do it because we can do it and
> to help further research. We will put it under the R&D wing and when
> someone finds us two participants, sends us the sequences, in about two
> months the answer will be available.
>
> David Faux.
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> Dr. David K.W. Faux
> President
> Ethnoancestry USA, Inc.
> www.ethnodna.com
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