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From: Aquilla King <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Any More M284 (I1c1) Results?
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:05:14 -1000
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Thanks, I'll look into these tests!

On 10/14/05, Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:
> In awhile Ethnoancestry will have P78 and P95 SNPs available to test, and
> from seeing the 43 marker extended haplotypes for dna which has been found
> positive/derived for these SNPs, I believe they will be located within
> Continental I1c and hence split it. So when those tests are available I
> would heartily recommend doing those two tests.
> In the meantime I believe you should do the M284 SNP test. M284+ indicates
> subclade I1c1. The first "Isles" I1c which has reported in with a M284 test
> has been found positive or derived and hence I1c1. A "Roots" I1c (defined
> by unusual 19,19 at YCAIIa,b) most likely of Iberian origination has been
> found negative or ancestral for M284.
>
> It would be useful to confirm a reasonable suspicion that Continental I1c
> will also be negative or ancestral for M284. An academic paper by Rootsi et
> al tested a modest number of Eastern Europe, Southern Europe and
> Scandinavian I1c for M284 and found none positive or derived. But they
> tested none from the British Isles and only a couple from Germany or
> Netherlands.
>
> If your M284 turns out negative (which would be my guess) for the few extra
> dollars (no setup fee) you could finish things off with a M223 test to
> confirm your I1c membership and wait for the P78 and P95 tests.
> But for your solid I1c haplotype (and most probably Continental) I think the
> most interesting tests will be the those future P78 and P95 tests. I will
> be working hard to line up a good representative group of I1c haplotype
> folks to do these tests, as well as finishing the work to map out who's in
> and who's out with M284.
>
> I1c is shaping up as a haplgroup in which the richness of clustering within
> the extended haplotypes may be matched to an interesting collection of SNPs
> which up to recently had existed but were not fleshed out as to what they
> signify --- but that is changing fast.
>
> Ken
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aquilla King" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Any More M284 (I1c1) Results?
>
>
> > Last week Ken and others noted that our DNA seems to be a variety of
> > continental I1c wirth some unusual mutations, and I've used the online
> > calculator to confirm the I1c. Reading through the list it appears to
> > be a "Nordic" variant. I could not find any close matched in the
> > public databases (27 is the closest, and those were in the British
> > Isles. It seems I only have 40 markers from the 43 marker test I
> > ordered). I am new to this but arger to learn more. What *specific*
> > SNP tests should I order to investigate further?
> >
> > Aquilla
> > _________________________
> > 385a 15
> > 385b 16
> > 388 12
> > 389I 14
> > 389II 31
> > 390 23
> > 391 10
> > 392 12
> > 393 16
> > 19a 16
> > 426 11
> > 437 14
> > 438 10
> > 439 11
> > 441 13
> > 442 12
> > 444 13
> > 445 10
> > 446 11
> > 447 26
> > 448 20
> > 449 28
> > 452 13
> > 454 11
> > 455 11
> > 456 17
> > 458 15
> > 459a 8
> > 459b 8
> > 460 11
> > 461 12
> > 462 12
> > 463 20
> > 464a 14
> > 635 21
> > GGAAT1B07 11
> > YCAIIa 19
> > YCAIIb 21
> > Y-GATA-A10 13
> > Y-GATA-H4 11
> >
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> > Aquilla
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Aquilla


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