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From: "Eldon Wade" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] R1b-S21+ Modals
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:31:26 -0400
In-Reply-To: <001901c5d7d4$5ea8da50$71509045@Ken1>


Yes, I recall him saying that. No doubt there is a decent number of other
S21+ that we have no data on.

Eldon



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Nordtvedt [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 9:19 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b-S21+ Modals
>
> David said that Jim Wilson was looking at a S21+ with 391 =
> 10 and Scot background. I guess that is from the "research"
> population and not available to us?
>
> Thanks for the file. It will save lots of "back and forth"
> to Ysearch, etc.
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eldon Wade" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [DNA] R1b-S21+ Modals
>
>
> > Ken,
> >
> > None of the 6 derived S21 are DYS391=10. 4 are 11 at 391
> and 2 are 12 at
> > 391.
> >
> > I have sent you an Excel spreadsheet file offlist of the extended
> > haplotypes
> > of these 6 people.
> >
> > If anyone else wants this file let me know.
> >
> > Eldon
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ken Nordtvedt [mailto:]
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:50 AM
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b-S21+ Modals
> >>
> >> It would help if we could see the rest of the S21 derived
> >> haplotypes that you mention with 391 = 10.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "David Faux" <>
> >> To: <>
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:12 AM
> >> Subject: [DNA] R1b-S21+ Modals
> >>
> >>
> >> > List:
> >> >
> >> > I transfered the 6 S21+ (derived) haplotypes to a single
> >> Excel sheet where
> >> > I could examine the modals for each marker. The first
> >> thing to note is
> >> > that there was considerable variablity. However, there are
> >> some markers
> >> > in this small sample which could be important. Here
> >> follows the markers
> >> > (out of 37) where at least 5 of the 6 scored at the same
> >> value (except
> >> > 390).
> >> >
> >> > DYS
> >> > 393=13
> >> > 390=23 (but one 22 and one 24)
> >> > 19=14
> >> > 385a,b=11,14
> >> > 426=12
> >> > 388=12
> >> > 459a,b=9,10
> >> > 455=11
> >> > 454=11
> >> > 437=15
> >> > 438=12
> >> > 442=13
> >> > 607=15
> >> > YCAa,b=19,23
> >> > CDYb=38
> >> >
> >> > Apparently these haplotypes may be largely English - and my
> >> guess at this
> >> > point is that these are Anglo - Saxon or Danish in origin
> >> (but I have yet
> >> > to compare to available modals for Frisia and Denmark).
> >> >
> >> > Jim Wilson has found values that seem to differ in a
> >> Scottish sample where
> >> > DYS391=10 is common whereas there are no 10 in the present
> >> sample (4 are
> >> > 11, and 2 are 12). Considering the region perhaps he was
> >> looking at Norse
> >> > invader haplotypes here. All speculation folks - but there
> >> are likely to
> >> > be important regional variations.
> >> >
> >> > Comments welcomed.
> >> >
> >> > David Faux.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dr. David K.W. Faux
> >> > President
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