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Subject: Re: [DNA] No matches! Help!
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:20:54 +0100
References: <000701c5d8eb$a274b980$7aa1bbd8@MyAirplane> <000601c5d8ee$81932f50$71509045@Ken1>


Wil

the critical marker is the 11,21 at YCAIIa/b. This is apparently unique to
I1b2. If someone shares this with you then you have a common ancestor
sometime in say the last 5-10 thousand years, if they don't have it then you
probably don't have a recent common ancestor. (I say probably because based
on our developing understanding of multicopy markers, there are possibly
I1b2s with 21,21 but they will be very very rare).

Gareth


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] No matches! Help!


> I1b2 is a rare haplogroup in NW Europe from where most of the entries in
> Ysearch come from. Do you have an idea how few I1b2 are in British Isles
or
> NW Europe? Also, with a rare haplogroup you can not put your whole
> haplotype in looking for matches; you must put in the minimum number of
key
> markers which isolate your haplogroup. Then you will probably get some
> matches and then add more markers one by one to see how close you actually
> are to the matches.
>
> Also, use the SMGF database. It is more continental and may have more
> haplotypes from Iberia, or even Sardinia. But you want more matches with
> your genealogical kin? If they are from the continent Sorenson (SMGF) has
> more entries. Again, start with minimum 7 marker haplotype and work up.
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wil Husted" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:38 PM
> Subject: [DNA] No matches! Help!
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I've ran searches at Ysearch and Ybase for haplogroup I1b2 and I with no
> > matches at either. My marker values are:
> >
> > 393 13
> > 390 23
> > 19/394 16
> > 391 10
> > 385a 12
> > 385b 12
> > 426 11
> > 388 13
> > 439 11
> > 389-1 13
> > 392 11
> > 389-2 28
> > 458 16
> > 459a 8
> > 459b 10
> > 455 11
> > 454 11
> > 447 25
> > 437 15
> > 448 21
> > 449 30
> > 464a 11
> > 464b 14
> > 464c 14
> > 464d 15
> > 460 10
> > GATA H4 11
> > YCA II a 11
> > YCA II b 21
> > 456 14
> > 607 13
> > 576 20
> > 570 18
> > CDY a 34
> > CDY b 34
> > 442 13
> > 438 10
> >
> > Another fellow matches 37/37 with me. He's the only other person I seem
to
> > have a match with. We are related.
> >
> > Are we rare birds or what? I'd appreciate any help, ideas etc.
> >
> > Wil Husted


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