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From: "David Wilson" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] haplotype question, follow up
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:23:24 -0800
As others mentioned there was a tradition of Irish and Scottish mercenaries
moving to the continent after 1500 and putting down roots there. That's one
way to explain a "Gaelic" haplotype in a Germanic context.
What I had in mind when I talked about "evolving in different ways" has to
do with the sequence in which your haplotype of interest happened to pick up
mutations. For example, if there was a completely normal "Irish" R1b
haplotype several hundred years ago whose lineal descendants began to
accumulate mutations that moved it back towards regular R1b, that's one way.
If on the other hand the ancestors of this haplotype were mainstream R1b and
in the last thousand years or so some independent mutations began to occur
that were already embodied in the "Irish" variety, that's another course of
development. Ancestrally, your haplotype might be either "Irish" or
mainstream, and subsequent mutations have made it look a bit like the other.
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: [DNA] haplotype question, follow up
Thank you very much David, for your explanation, and for alerting me to the
DYS426 value. You said, "Bottom line: this is a sort of in-between
haplotype that shows characteristics of both mainstream R1b and the "Irish"
This pattern could have evolved in different ways." Can you elaborate on
that a little more? In what ways might it have evolved? If there has been no
non-paternal event, this haplotype should be of German/Swiss origination. In
your opinion, is it consistent with a German/Swiss immigrant paternal
ancestor about 250-300 years ago? Or perhaps I should say, is there
anything inconsistent with a German/Swiss paternal ancestral line?
Thank you again,
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