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From: "David F Reynolds" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] H Haplo?
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:39:29 -0800
References: <110420051611.27400.436B882200008D1C00006B0822070016419C9B01019D0A050C01B4@comcast.net> <000601c5e15b$b8b6abe0$71509045@Ken1>
Ken, when FTNDA estimates, they do not include an SNP designation, they just state the estimated haplogroup. So the fact that Don sees a "M69+" on his haplogroup page confirms that he was SNP tested. The Locke DNA pages show him to be a direct FTDNA customer, not NGS, so M69 would actually be what was tested--all the funny business with SNP reporting appears to only occur on the NGS side, with the FTNDA information showing what was actually tested.
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:20:50 -0800, Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:
> Yes, the haplotype you show is in the Ysearch database under the code 5EN5X.
> Whether you put it in or FTDNA does it automatically is something I don't
> Go see at www.ysearch.org
> With only 12 markers measured for your haplotype and 4 steps of mutational
> difference, you could a number of exotic haplogroups on Earth. So this C3 4
> step match means nothing. You apparently know you are downstream of H,
> although as usual with this FTDNA and NGS bunch, it is not clear they tested
> you for M69+ or just call you that because of their estimate? But with
> such an unusual haplotype we can hope they actually did an SNP test. And
> you seem clear you were SNP tested.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] H Haplo?
>> Hi Ken
>> Ok wow, that was way beyond me lol. I haven't a clue how to answer you on
>> this. I am just learning this stuff and I don't understand hardly a thing
>> you asked of me lol.
>> I am a confirmed H, snp done. My son and my 11th generation distance
>> cousin are also unconfirmed H, no snp done yet.
>> On my results page under Haplo it says M69+ , is that what your asking?
>> Also on the haplo web page for my results under the 4 step mutation is
>> where it lists the C3 I was talking about. If you are confused, it is
>> because I am confused and looking for answers lol.
>> 12 marker Y kit results
>> 12 22 15 10 15 17 11 12 11 14 11 30
>> If that doesn't give you what you needed, then maybe you can explain to me
>> how I can explain it to you in terms we both can understand. lol Told ya I
>> was a rookie! :)
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> Are you talking about the Ysearch entry 5EN5X? It will help discussing
>>> haplotype if you let us know what it is. What do you mean by the "4th
>>> mutation in our halp results"?
>>> That seems to be DYS391 which is rather benign and not very informative.
>>> For 5EN5X it is DYS385a,b which is strange.
>>> Are we talking about the same haplotype when calling it H and then
>>> it C3?
>>> If you are y-haplogroup H I am interested, as H is a close cousin of I,
>>> I am seeking the early history of I haplotypes when they might have
>>> most like H or their parent F.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 7:38 AM
>>> Subject: [DNA] H Haplo?
>>> > Hi everyone, I am new to the list.
>>> > I am a confirmed snp H haplo (Y gene test). My research has led me to
>>> > believe my Lock's were from England 1600's, but no proof as of yet.
>>> > I am looking for more origins for H's, some say H is likely to be
>>> > Franks.
>>> > Myself, my son and a 11th generation cousin have been tested and we all
>>> > show the same mutations and one sticks out to me that I find strange.
>>> > We
>>> > all 3 show a
>>> > C3 on the 4th mutation in our halpo results. FTDNA says that is USA
>>> > Native
>>> > American, while others are saying C3 is German. Can anyone give me some
>>> > history on C3?
>>> > Am I assuming to much in thinking that if myself and my 11th generation
>>> > distance cousin show this C3 mutation, that the C3 comes in play prior
>>> > to
>>> > the generation(s) me and my cousin are related?
>>> > Thanks, and be easy on the rookie! :)
>>> > Don
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