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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] H Haplo?
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:50:56 -0700
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David, Hope your understanding of the matter is the last word, and you
certainly know more about FTDNA practice than I do. Don could clarify if HE
ordered SNP test, but I guess that still does not cover the situation where
FTDNA is not sure in an estimate and on their own does some SNP tests to
define group. I did not know FTDNA themselves still sell those 12 marker
haplotypes from the dark ages.

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "David F Reynolds" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] H Haplo?


> Ken, when FTNDA estimates, they do not include an SNP designation, they
> just state the estimated haplogroup. So the fact that Don sees a "M69+" on
> his haplogroup page confirms that he was SNP tested. The Locke DNA pages
> show him to be a direct FTDNA customer, not NGS, so M69 would actually be
> what was tested--all the funny business with SNP reporting appears to only
> occur on the NGS side, with the FTNDA information showing what was
> actually tested.
>
> --david
>
>
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:20:50 -0800, Ken Nordtvedt <>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the haplotype you show is in the Ysearch database under the code
>> 5EN5X.
>> Whether you put it in or FTDNA does it automatically is something I don't
>> know.
>>
>> Go see at www.ysearch.org
>>
>> With only 12 markers measured for your haplotype and 4 steps of
>> mutational
>> difference, you could a number of exotic haplogroups on Earth. So this
>> C3 4
>> step match means nothing. You apparently know you are downstream of H,
>> although as usual with this FTDNA and NGS bunch, it is not clear they
>> tested
>> you for M69+ or just call you that because of their estimate? But with
>> such an unusual haplotype we can hope they actually did an SNP test. And
>> you seem clear you were SNP tested.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DNA] H Haplo?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Ken
>>> Ok wow, that was way beyond me lol. I haven't a clue how to answer you
>>> on
>>> this. I am just learning this stuff and I don't understand hardly a
>>> thing
>>> you asked of me lol.
>>>
>>> I am a confirmed H, snp done. My son and my 11th generation distance
>>> cousin are also unconfirmed H, no snp done yet.
>>>
>>> On my results page under Haplo it says M69+ , is that what your asking?
>>>
>>> Also on the haplo web page for my results under the 4 step mutation is
>>> where it lists the C3 I was talking about. If you are confused, it is
>>> because I am confused and looking for answers lol.
>>>
>>> 12 marker Y kit results
>>>
>>> 12 22 15 10 15 17 11 12 11 14 11 30
>>>
>>> If that doesn't give you what you needed, then maybe you can explain to
>>> me
>>> how I can explain it to you in terms we both can understand. lol Told ya
>>> I
>>> was a rookie! :)
>>> Don
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>
>>>> Don,
>>>>
>>>> Are you talking about the Ysearch entry 5EN5X? It will help discussing
>>>> your
>>>> haplotype if you let us know what it is. What do you mean by the "4th
>>>> mutation in our halp results"?
>>>> That seems to be DYS391 which is rather benign and not very
>>>> informative.
>>>> For 5EN5X it is DYS385a,b which is strange.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are we talking about the same haplotype when calling it H and then
>>>> calling
>>>> it C3?
>>>>
>>>> If you are y-haplogroup H I am interested, as H is a close cousin of I,
>>>> and
>>>> I am seeking the early history of I haplotypes when they might have
>>>> looked
>>>> most like H or their parent F.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From:
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 7:38 AM
>>>> Subject: [DNA] H Haplo?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Hi everyone, I am new to the list.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am a confirmed snp H haplo (Y gene test). My research has led me to
>>>> > believe my Lock's were from England 1600's, but no proof as of yet.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am looking for more origins for H's, some say H is likely to be
>>>> > Franks.
>>>> >
>>>> > Myself, my son and a 11th generation cousin have been tested and we
>>>> > all
>>>> > show the same mutations and one sticks out to me that I find strange.
>>>> > We
>>>> > all 3 show a
>>>> > C3 on the 4th mutation in our halpo results. FTDNA says that is USA
>>>> > Native
>>>> > American, while others are saying C3 is German. Can anyone give me
>>>> > some
>>>> > history on C3?
>>>> >
>>>> > Am I assuming to much in thinking that if myself and my 11th
>>>> > generation
>>>> > distance cousin show this C3 mutation, that the C3 comes in play
>>>> > prior
>>>> > to
>>>> > the generation(s) me and my cousin are related?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks, and be easy on the rookie! :)
>>>> > Don
>>>> >
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