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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplotype Q and Autosomes
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:06:38 -0700
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David,

Where can I see the publication that entirely disproves a possible Inuit
origin? If traders with Greenland brought back Q I would expect to see a
bit of it throughout the Viking empire or sphere of influence, whatever you
want to call it. From Dublin, to Isle of Man, to western and northern
Isles, to York, to Norway, etc; these guys got around. I included Viking
times as my first period of extensive trade between Europe and Greenland.
Bishops and furs and all sorts of things are recorded to have traveled both
ways. Then all this stopped and the European Greelanders vanished, but you
know all this lore.

I found a Bosch paper showing the Inuit Q and Q3, with the usual academic
peewee haplotypes of 5 or 6 markers. What's the disconnect between these
tabulated Q haplotypes from Greenland and the Q found back in Europe?

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Faux" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplotype Q and Autosomes


> Ken:
>
> That hypothesis has been explored in depth and entirely disproven. In
> addition, Q is found in Norway and Sweden suggesting that the Northern
> Isles received their Q infusion during Viking times. 12/12 Matches
> between Shetland Q are with those from Norway, Sweden, and Iceland then
> Uzbekistan - none have any close matches whatsoever to Native Americans
> including Inuit.
>
> David Faux.
>
> Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:
> Why aren't the Q found in Shetlands just Inuit genes brought back from
> Greenland by that colony's Viking founders or later folks trading back and
> forth with the Greenland settlements? For a few centuries there was much
> traffic, and then later somewhat after Columbus European contact with
> Greenland and its peoples started up again.
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Faux"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplotype Q and Autosomes
>
>
>> David and Jim:
>>
>> Native American Y chromosome include Q3 (M3, M19), Q (P36, M242), P
>> (M45), and C (RPS4Y).
>>
>> Using Bortolini et al. (AJHG, 73:524-539, 2003) as an example, a total of
>> 347 Amerinds from South America were genotyped as follows:
>>
>> Q3 = 83%; Q = 9%; P = 4% and C = 0%
>>
>> Looking at 48 Na Dene of North America, the following figures applied:
>>
>> Q3 = 6%; Q = 25%; P = 63%; and C = 6%
>>
>> Depending on location in North and South America Q without the M3
>> derivation is actually quite common.
>>
>> David Faux.
>>
>
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