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From: "David Zincavage" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Red hair blue eyes etc
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:04:59 -0800
References: <BKEPIIDHHKEPCMDIEBKBKEDDCMAA.andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> <001b01c5e889$da383f10$71509045@Ken1>


I would expect that Lithuanians will test in the majority as R1a by a wide
margin, and blond hair and blue eyes are considered typical Lithuanian
traits.

David Zincavage

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Red hair blue eyes etc


> That's why I hunger for a good table of blue or brown eye frequency by
> region and country. Take Connaught on the west coast of Ireland, for
> example. It is almost pure R1b. I don't know how its mtdna makeup breaks
> down, though. I'd like to know the frequency of brown eyes in Connaught,
> and then try to explain that by R1a folks who came into Europe several
> thousand years ago, and a few thousand miles to the east, etc. The R1b
of
> Connaught is supposed to be from Iberia according to conventional views.
>
> If central and northern Europe's gene composition was pretty much of a
> single y haplogroup and single mtdna haplogroup, I would not wonder very
> much about the large suppression of the brown eye genes. Anything can
> happen once. But both the ydna and mtdna are a mixed bag of haplogroups
> which apparently parted long ago and are said to have come into Europe in
> separate migratory events according to many journal articles. So why such
> different groups from Connaught to east of the Baltic end up with majority
> blue eyes (assuming that is the case?) is the mystery to me.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew and Inge" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 12:11 PM
> Subject: [DNA] Red hair blue eyes etc
>
>
> > For those interested, do a Googles of the ethnic term Tocharian or
> > Tokharian, which got placed onto a culture known to the Chinese, having
> > preceded the Uighurs in the Tarim Basin in what is now Chinese
Turkestan.
> > Mind you, everyone seems to agree that this Indo-European tartan wearing
> > people came from the West. But it removes the need to turn to
Alexander's
> > army to explain blue eyes and so on in Afghanistan, whch also received
> > Indo-Europeans in several early waves.
> >
> > This still does not explain where this "fairness" comes from originally
> > and
> > how it (with its associated genes) moved. I interpreted Ellen to be
saying
> > that we should be open to ideas. For example could it have come from
what
> > are now the Slavic parts of Europe (which would include Thrace etc)? On
> > this
> > list it is well known that the Scandinavians and Germans are very much
> > genetically influenced by movements from the East. Of course the Gauls
> > were
> > already felt to be red heads in Roman times, but even in recent
> > generations
> > I understand that the Ukraine might be the most blond part of Europe?
> >
> > Regards
> > Andrew
> >
> > From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> > Subject: Re: [DNA] Out of Africa
> > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:38:09 -0700
> > References: <006301c5e866$88c99e30$>
> >
> >
> > Greek writers and historians refer to the blue eyes and red hair of
Thrace
> > (land to the north or northeast of Greece), and this over 2000 years
ago.
> >
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