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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Red hair blue eyes etc
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:42:06 -0800 (PST)


--- ellen Levy <> wrote:

> Bob:
>
> Which part do you disagree with? I doubt there was
> an
> outlawing of the speaking of the pre-Celtic
> languages
> of the British Isles by the Celtic speakers.
> Furthermore, I doubt there was a public school
> system
> 6000 years ago that would have effected what
> languages
> were spoken. Thus, my point: Different processes
> were
> at work 6000 years ago concerning language
> replacement
> than are at work within the last 500 years. And the
> way language replacement generally worked 6000 years
> ago was that it was accompanied by a movement of
> peoples in an invasion scenario, either peaceful or
> non-peaceful.
>
> Here is bottom line that some researcher has to deal
> with: the movement and dominance of an Indo-European
> language into a suppposedly genetically
> non-Indo-European region. How did that language
> replacement happen and happen so completely as to
> destroy the pre-Celtic language so that not even a
> remnant remains today?
>
> Ellen Coffman
>
> --- robert mclaren <> wrote:
>
> > Ellen,
> >
> > I disagree with you as concerns the Scottish
> > Highlands. The Highland were
> > conquered by the English in 1746. Scots Gaelic
> was
> > spoken here until 1746.
> > At this time, the language was basically outlawed
> by
> > the English. The only
> > schools allowed were the public schools which were
> > required to teach
> > English and nothing else. The Scots were not
> > allowed to display any signs
> > of their culture. This was enforced by the
> English.
> > As a result, the
> > language died out. Today, there are very few
> native
> > speakers.
> >
> > Bob McLaren
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: ellen Levy <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Date: 11/13/2005 7:48:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [DNA] Red hair blue eyes etc
> > >
> > > Gary:
> > >
> > > I'm afraid I've missed your point, but I am open
> > to
> > > further discussion. Again, the processes
> > operating
> > > within the last 500 years -whether in Latin
> > America or
> > > the British Isles - are far different that the
> > > processes that would led to cultural, linguistic
> > and
> > > (in my view) genetic replacement 6000 years ago.
>
> > And
> > > my understanding is that Latin America (which is
> a
> > > very large territory to discuss) is composed not
> > only
> > > of NA elements, but a variety of peoples,
> > including
> > > European and African. Thus, there is genetic
> > mixture
> > > that is NOT being postulated for the inhabitants
> > of
> > > the Celtic-speaking areas of the British Isles.
>
> > >
> > > Even in Turkey where you had wholesale language
> > > replacement of an earlier non-Turkish language,
> > you
> > > had invaders bringing the new language into the
> > > region. Estimates of the invader genetic legacy
> > in
> > > Turkey vary from 10% to more than 30%.
> > >
> > > Ellen Coffman
> >
> >
> >
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