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Subject: Re: [DNA] German Ancestry at Philadelphia early
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:44:06 -0500 (EST)
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For all you PA Dutch, keep in mind we were subject to discrimination by
the English because of our origins and language. Even Wm Penn, who was the
only Colonial Governor who agreed to take the "duch", said they had to go
to the frontier and "leave us English alone". The frontier at that time
was about 60 miles from Philadelphia --- hence PA Dutch settled the arc
from Allentown, Reading, York and Lancaster. Many names were Anglicized on
arrival and/or changed later to conform to English standards and/or to
escape discrimination. Avoiding discrimination is the reason today that I
am not bilingual. My greatgrandparents refused to teach PA Dutch to my
grandfather because they felt the discrimination. Such a loss! Ed
Troutman, Fort Worth, TX, from Wilhelm Trautmann, settled near Reading
> Thanks for the look up offer. I'm sure folks will take you up on your
> offer. The three volume book set (which is the one which includes the
> signatures) is expensive, but I own them in my personal library. I also
> have the two volume set without the actual signatures. Less expensive
> but still up there. The two volume set is my "working set" and takes the
> wear and tear. :-) That set of books is invaluable for PA Deutsch
> Here is a webpage of mine as an example of a ship list (actually a
> composite of three from list (A), (B), and (C) for this ship) for the
> ship that my direct male ancestor, Adam Kerchner / Kirchner / Kircher
> arrived on. Photos of ships are not included. I dug that up elsewhere.
> The numbers in parenthesis are there ages. And for the vast majority of
> lists only males 16 and over were listed.
> I posted this query page of mine on this List and elsewhere several
> weeks ago and Phil Goff gave me a new lead to work on as a result of
> that regarding the fellow who is listed right before my Adam on the
> list. Thanks Phil. Our family is working on getting some research
> contacts near to/ north of Kaiserlautern, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany to
> pursue that further. There is a link in this website to the ship list
> book set if you want to read more about the books and fall over at the
> cost. :-) But if you're a serious colonial PA researcher, you have to
> have them in your library.
> For those that may not know it, you can also find early ship lists on
> the website of the Palatines to America organization. I'm a member and
> serve of the board for the PA Chapter.
> Ed, if you're not already a member you may wish to join PalAm. If so,
> tell them I referred you. :-)
> There are other versions of these early lists posted online. But the S&H
> 3 volume set is consider the best overall. A google.com will find
> several sites with ship lists compiled by other early scholars. So you
> all don't have to inundate Ed with look ups, even though he offered. Is
> your email box full yet Ed? :-)
> Charles Kerchner, P.E.
>> For Charles Kerchner and my Germany project members I now have a
>> set ot Pennsylvania German Pioneeers which show imigrants coming to
>> the port of Philadelphia from 1727 to 1775 including my own immigrant
>> in 1754. The set shows specific ships lists and copies of actual
>> signatures and ages of immigrants, the health state of the arriving
>> ship immigrants, captains info, Oath of Allegeance info and other
>> info. There are approximately 70,000 listed entries (as I estimate)
>> at the Port from 1727-1795. There is an index showing immigrants and
>> what pages they show up on.
>> So for Charles' Germany related project members of Philadelphia and
>> Germany project members I will be available to do look ups for these
>> arriving immigrants. When I have info on an arriving immigrant's name
>> at Philadelphia for a new joining member to Germany project I will
>> automatically look for the immigrants name in the index and tell the
>> new memebr what I found or did not find.
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