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From: "David Zincavage" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] German Ancestry at Philadelphia early
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:10:39 -0800
References: <80.34217657.30a823a3@aol.com> <4376D433.3070600@kerchner.com> <37895.10.250.10.1.1131997446.squirrel@sq03.pol.net> <002301c5e955$a5b7df30$71509045@Ken1>


We're neighbors, Ken. I grew up in Schuylkill County next door, which --of
course-- was carved out of Berks long ago.

David Zincavage

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] German Ancestry at Philadelphia early


> My Swabian ancestors, arriving Philadelphia 1749, still in mid-19th
century
> were using the German language on their tombstones in Berks County.
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] German Ancestry at Philadelphia early
>
>
> > For all you PA Dutch, keep in mind we were subject to discrimination by
> > the English because of our origins and language. Even Wm Penn, who was
the
> > only Colonial Governor who agreed to take the "duch", said they had to
go
> > to the frontier and "leave us English alone". The frontier at that time
> > was about 60 miles from Philadelphia --- hence PA Dutch settled the arc
> > from Allentown, Reading, York and Lancaster. Many names were Anglicized
on
> > arrival and/or changed later to conform to English standards and/or to
> > escape discrimination. Avoiding discrimination is the reason today that
I
> > am not bilingual. My greatgrandparents refused to teach PA Dutch to my
> > grandfather because they felt the discrimination. Such a loss! Ed
> > Troutman, Fort Worth, TX, from Wilhelm Trautmann, settled near Reading
> > 1752.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Ed:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the look up offer. I'm sure folks will take you up on your
> >> offer. The three volume book set (which is the one which includes the
> >> signatures) is expensive, but I own them in my personal library. I also
> >> have the two volume set without the actual signatures. Less expensive
> >> but still up there. The two volume set is my "working set" and takes
the
> >> wear and tear. :-) That set of books is invaluable for PA Deutsch
> >> research.
> >>
> >> Here is a webpage of mine as an example of a ship list (actually a
> >> composite of three from list (A), (B), and (C) for this ship) for the
> >> ship that my direct male ancestor, Adam Kerchner / Kirchner / Kircher
> >> arrived on. Photos of ships are not included. I dug that up elsewhere.
> >> The numbers in parenthesis are there ages. And for the vast majority of
> >> lists only males 16 and over were listed.
> >>
> >> I posted this query page of mine on this List and elsewhere several
> >> weeks ago and Phil Goff gave me a new lead to work on as a result of
> >> that regarding the fellow who is listed right before my Adam on the
> >> list. Thanks Phil. Our family is working on getting some research
> >> contacts near to/ north of Kaiserlautern, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany to
> >> pursue that further. There is a link in this website to the ship list
> >> book set if you want to read more about the books and fall over at the
> >> cost. :-) But if you're a serious colonial PA researcher, you have to
> >> have them in your library.
> >>
> >> http://www.kerchner.com/thane-of-fife.htm
> >>
> >> For those that may not know it, you can also find early ship lists on
> >> the website of the Palatines to America organization. I'm a member and
> >> serve of the board for the PA Chapter.
> >> http://www.palam.org/
> >>
> >> Ed, if you're not already a member you may wish to join PalAm. If so,
> >> tell them I referred you. :-)
> >>
> >> There are other versions of these early lists posted online. But the
S&H
> >> 3 volume set is consider the best overall. A google.com will find
> >> several sites with ship lists compiled by other early scholars. So you
> >> all don't have to inundate Ed with look ups, even though he offered. Is
> >> your email box full yet Ed? :-)
> >>
> >> Charles Kerchner, P.E.
> >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/colonial-usa-deutsch/
> >>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> For Charles Kerchner and my Germany project members I now have a
> >>> complete
> >>> set ot Pennsylvania German Pioneeers which show imigrants coming to
> >>> the port of Philadelphia from 1727 to 1775 including my own immigrant
> >>> in 1754. The set shows specific ships lists and copies of actual
> >>> signatures and ages of immigrants, the health state of the arriving
> >>> ship immigrants, captains info, Oath of Allegeance info and other
> >>> info. There are approximately 70,000 listed entries (as I estimate)
> >>> at the Port from 1727-1795. There is an index showing immigrants and
> >>> what pages they show up on.
> >>> So for Charles' Germany related project members of Philadelphia and
> >>> my
> >>> Germany project members I will be available to do look ups for these
> >>> arriving immigrants. When I have info on an arriving immigrant's name
> >>> at Philadelphia for a new joining member to Germany project I will
> >>> automatically look for the immigrants name in the index and tell the
> >>> new memebr what I found or did not find.
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>
> >>
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