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Subject: Re: [DNA] German Ancestry at Philadelphia early
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:58:20 -0500 (EST)
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You are right. But, it is my understanding that Georgia did not accept
King George's offer to send the "duch" at his expense in the early 1700's.
The ships of "duch" were sent from Cowes to Philadelphia after the King's
man paid the fare to the Captain. By the way, "duch" was a derogatory
term at that time. EGT

> Hi Folks,
>
> Just a bit of a correction. The Trustees of the Colony of Georgia and
> General James Oglethorpe (the founder of Savannah and the colony as a
> whole) were quite happy to take Deutsch settlers. Many were refugees
> from Salzburg and the Rhenish Palatinate. Georgia colonial officials
> eagerly accepted Palatines, Salzburgers, Swabians, and Swiss into the
> new colony. Many of the refugees were taken into the colony as
> indentured servants who worked according to the dictates of those
> colonial officials and the Trustees - for the colony. The Salzburgers
> were free and were first settled at Old Ebenezer, then allowed to move
> to a newer settlement also named Ebenezer. Otherwise, German-speaking
> colonists settled throughout the colony. Present-day Dutch Island
> (first known as Providenc Is. and later as Liberty Is.) was settled by
> members of the Radick and Gnann families in the mid-1750s. Those folks
> were German speakers and they weren't pushed inland up to the frontier.
> They were settled on a sea island that's now a part of Savannah.
>
> The colony of Georgia eagerly accepted German-speakers and didn't push
> them off to the frontier.
>
> Dale E. Reddick
> Administrator, RootsWeb GA-DEUTSCH e-mail list
> ________________________________
>
> wrote:
>
>>For all you PA Dutch, keep in mind we were subject to discrimination by
>> the English because of our origins and language. Even Wm Penn, who was
>> the only Colonial Governor who agreed to take the "duch", said they had
>> to go to the frontier and "leave us English alone". The frontier at
>> that time was about 60 miles from Philadelphia --- hence PA Dutch
>> settled the arc from Allentown, Reading, York and Lancaster. Many names
>> were Anglicized on arrival and/or changed later to conform to English
>> standards and/or to escape discrimination. Avoiding discrimination is
>> the reason today that I am not bilingual. My greatgrandparents refused
>> to teach PA Dutch to my grandfather because they felt the
>> discrimination. Such a loss! Ed Troutman, Fort Worth, TX, from Wilhelm
>> Trautmann, settled near Reading 1752.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Ed:
>>>
>>>Thanks for the look up offer. I'm sure folks will take you up on your
>>> offer. The three volume book set (which is the one which includes the
>>> signatures) is expensive, but I own them in my personal library. I
>>> also have the two volume set without the actual signatures. Less
>>> expensive but still up there. The two volume set is my "working set"
>>> and takes the
>>> wear and tear. :-) That set of books is invaluable for PA Deutsch
>>>research.
>>>
>>>Here is a webpage of mine as an example of a ship list (actually a
>>> composite of three from list (A), (B), and (C) for this ship) for the
>>> ship that my direct male ancestor, Adam Kerchner / Kirchner / Kircher
>>> arrived on. Photos of ships are not included. I dug that up elsewhere.
>>> The numbers in parenthesis are there ages. And for the vast majority
>>> of lists only males 16 and over were listed.
>>>
>>>I posted this query page of mine on this List and elsewhere several
>>> weeks ago and Phil Goff gave me a new lead to work on as a result of
>>> that regarding the fellow who is listed right before my Adam on the
>>> list. Thanks Phil. Our family is working on getting some research
>>> contacts near to/ north of Kaiserlautern, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany to
>>> pursue that further. There is a link in this website to the ship list
>>> book set if you want to read more about the books and fall over at the
>>> cost. :-) But if you're a serious colonial PA researcher, you have to
>>> have them in your library.
>>>
>>>http://www.kerchner.com/thane-of-fife.htm
>>>
>>>For those that may not know it, you can also find early ship lists on
>>> the website of the Palatines to America organization. I'm a member and
>>> serve of the board for the PA Chapter.
>>>http://www.palam.org/
>>>
>>>Ed, if you're not already a member you may wish to join PalAm. If so,
>>> tell them I referred you. :-)
>>>
>>>There are other versions of these early lists posted online. But the
>>> S&H
>>> 3 volume set is consider the best overall. A google.com will find
>>>several sites with ship lists compiled by other early scholars. So you
>>> all don't have to inundate Ed with look ups, even though he offered.
>>> Is your email box full yet Ed? :-)
>>>
>>>Charles Kerchner, P.E.
>>>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/colonial-usa-deutsch/
>>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> For Charles Kerchner and my Germany project members I now have a
>>>>complete
>>>>set ot Pennsylvania German Pioneeers which show imigrants coming to
>>>> the port of Philadelphia from 1727 to 1775 including my own
>>>> immigrant in 1754. The set shows specific ships lists and copies of
>>>> actual signatures and ages of immigrants, the health state of the
>>>> arriving ship immigrants, captains info, Oath of Allegeance info and
>>>> other info. There are approximately 70,000 listed entries (as I
>>>> estimate) at the Port from 1727-1795. There is an index showing
>>>> immigrants and what pages they show up on.
>>>> So for Charles' Germany related project members of Philadelphia
>>>> and
>>>>my
>>>>Germany project members I will be available to do look ups for these
>>>> arriving immigrants. When I have info on an arriving immigrant's
>>>> name at Philadelphia for a new joining member to Germany project I
>>>> will automatically look for the immigrants name in the index and
>>>> tell the new memebr what I found or did not find.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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