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From: Doug McDonald <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Irish Surnames Report from Trinity College Dublin team
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:34:03 -0600
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David Wilson wrote:

> Just published in AJHG. Abstract here:
>
> http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v78n2/43032/brief/43032
> .abstract.html
>
> The full file can be seen at the link in my previous email. There is an
> excellent map of Ireland showing haplotype density.
>
> My summary of their article: What we have been calling the "Irish" variety
> of R1b on this list is called the Irish Modal Haplotype (IMH) by the
> authors. They associate the pattern with the Ui Neill (Descendants of
> Niall), semi-historical and semi-legendary kings of Ireland beginning some
> 1500 years ago.
...

>
> This would mean that 25/11/14 R1b is quite a bit younger than I had been
> thinking. In previous posts I had expressed the opinion that it would have
> begun to diverge from mainstream R1b some three to five thousand years ago.
>
>

And one notes that they seem to be using the 0.0007 mutation rate,
so in fact it would be two to three times more recent.

Doug McDonald

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