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Subject: Re: [DNA] At last --Some Results from the Irish Study
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:07:41 -0000
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Donald

I've not come across the view that there were Brythonic speakers in Ireland
before. What is the evidence for this?

Gareth



----- Original Message -----
From: "DONALD MILLIGAN" <>
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] At last --Some Results from the Irish Study


> Hi David W & List :
>
> Previously, I've been under the impression that the 25/11/14 folk
historically have been found in significant numbers in the areas of Ireland
that were home to Brythonic-speaking folk, e.g.: The Ui Neill & the Dal
Riada folk ( who had close connections with Argyll, Scotland) of Ulster were
Gaelic-speakers, while the Clanna Rory & the DalnAraide of Ulster were
Brythonic-speakers who had close contacts with the Brythonic-speakers of
Galloway Scotland. If any of this is true, then, would not this language
difference point to different founders for these two different groups?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Wilson<mailto:>
> To: <mailto:>
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 6:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] At last --Some Results from the Irish Study
>
>
> Yes. The TCD team's IMH is the same thing as the 25/11/14 "Irish"
variety
> (McEwan's STR19) that we discuss on this list.
>
> There is not a complete overlap between the tested marker sets. The TCD
> analysis was based on 17 loci that included some not tested by FTDNA --
434,
> 435 and 436. Also, some of the diagnostic values for the "Irish" variety
in
> the full 37-marker set were not tested by the TCD team -- DYS385b, for
> example, which is typically 13 in the Irish variety.
>
> David W.


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