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Subject: Re: [DNA] Asian genetic traces in Germans
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:40:00 EST



For the fourth time now. We have TWO ( that means more than one) tested
Martin males matching at 35/37 and C3 SNP tested with DEFINATE documented trail
to Herrstein Germany in 1588. We have articles all over the place indicating
that Huns invaded Western Europe including Germany and Poland and Prussia
etc.. You can argue with with what the historians have/found said but history is
history. Just because not much C3 is found yet doesn't mean squat. When did
this widespread DNA testing start I believe just recently in terms of
widespread testing available to general public posted sites. Alos some "daughtering
out" of C3 lines has probably happened into USA today's living folks along
with the fact that present day Germans may not be a excited to get tested as
USA folks are for DNA yet.heck If I had not been tested you would never know as
of right now of the C3 haplotype/halpogroup documented in Germany ancestry
and it would still be there but hiding from you.

Let me throw in that I also match 23/25 to the FTDNA Stout surname line
SNP'd C3 males that probably are from Germany but not yet proven but their
history Stout/Staudt book shows the German history in the exact same area as my
line was and in same time period.

Ed Martin

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In a message dated 12/18/2005 11:38:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Let's not overlook the fact that Neither Atilla the Hun nor Genghis
Khan came into Europe alone. They likely had thousands with
them. Raping and pillaging were the norm. Not all children sired by
the armies that swept through were by the leaders. Both leaders
likely picked up volunteers for their armies as they went. It should
not be surprising that many modern day Europeans would have Asian
genetic traits. But like Ellen I am surprised that we have not seen
more genetic evidence. Logic should tell us that close to half the
babies born as a result of these invaders would have been males and
their y-Chromosome DNA should have survived in many present day
Europeans. The mtDNA should show such evidence as well. The
Autosomal DNA is a different matter. This would have diluted by 50%
each generation to the point that finding traces would not be very
easy 1500 years after Atilla and 800 years after Genghis Kahn.

At 05:25 PM 12/18/2005, ellen Levy wrote:
>Frankly, given the
>significant genetic differences noted by another
>Lister between your haplotype and that common among
>those descended from Ghenghis Khan, you may not be
>able to rule out that your C3 ancestor may have made
>his way to western Europe a long time ago, well before
>the invasions of either the Huns or the Khan hordes.


Orin R. Wells
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