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From: VALERY <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Asian genetic traces in Germans
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:18:13 +0300
References: <20051219161633.27109.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com>


Ellen, it was about mt*C though after reading Dienekes' post on Ys.


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From: "ellen Levy" <>
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Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Asian genetic traces in Germans


> I don't think there is a necessity for defensiveness
> on the subject. Your two lines obviously descend from
> a single Martin ancestor, so we are talking about a
> single C3 male ancestor. As I also said before, if
> you look to Valery's posting just last month, she
> lists frequencies of C3 among various groups, and
> notes C3 is found among Russians & Poles. Given their
> closer proximity to Asia, their higher frequency of C3
> makes sense. Some of this C3 could easily have
> trickled westward into Germany. Yes, your C3 could be
> from Khans hordes, but then again, it could be from
> other sources. One C3 result must be compared against
> larger genetic studies to put it all into perspective.
> If your Huns or Khan's men intermarried to the
> apparently large extent the historical sources you
> provide indicate, the genetic record would support
> this. I don't think they do. A small trickle -
> perhaps. Large scale intermarriage - no way.
>
> I don't much care for ancient historical sources of
> information unless they can find support in the
> archaeological or genetic record. Many scientists
> have spent years, even decades, doing just this -
> carefully, meticulously building their cases out of
> the archaeological (and now genetic) record in an
> attempt to prove or disprove the accuracy of the
> historical sources.
>
> David Faux is in the process of trying to build such a
> link between ancient Scandinavian sources and
> haplogroups Q, K and R1a among those populations. It
> takes a long time and a lot of effort to build one's
> case in a way that can be supported by the scientific
> method.
>
> Otherwise, these remain intriguing theories, but
> essentially speculative in nature.
>
> Ellen Coffman
>
> --- wrote:
>
> >
> > For the fourth time now. We have TWO ( that means
> > more than one) tested
> > Martin males matching at 35/37 and C3 SNP tested
> > with DEFINATE documented trail
> > to Herrstein Germany in 1588. We have articles all
> > over the place indicating
> > that Huns invaded Western Europe including Germany
> > and Poland and Prussia
> > etc.. You can argue with with what the historians
> > have/found said but history is
> > history. Just because not much C3 is found yet
> > doesn't mean squat. When did
> > this widespread DNA testing start I believe just
> > recently in terms of
> > widespread testing available to general public
> > posted sites. Alos some "daughtering
> > out" of C3 lines has probably happened into USA
> > today's living folks along
> > with the fact that present day Germans may not be a
> > excited to get tested as
> > USA folks are for DNA yet.heck If I had not been
> > tested you would never know as
> > of right now of the C3 haplotype/halpogroup
> > documented in Germany ancestry
> > and it would still be there but hiding from you.
> >
> > Let me throw in that I also match 23/25 to the FTDNA
> > Stout surname line
> > SNP'd C3 males that probably are from Germany but
> > not yet proven but their
> > history Stout/Staudt book shows the German history
> > in the exact same area as my
> > line was and in same time period.
> >
> > Ed Martin
> >
> >
>
>
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