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From: "Billy Sinor" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ethnoancestry Offers YSTR18 Haplotype Test--From the Administrator
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:32:14 -0600
References: <200512211938.jBLJc1XK009443@mail.rootsweb.com>


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bullock" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: [DNA] Ethnoancestry Offers YSTR18 Haplotype Test--From the
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> The genealogy-dna mail list does not maintain a Web site. There is no
> "webmaster" for the list. (Mail lists came into existence years before
> there was a World Wide Web.)
>
> As has been stated on the list many times in the past--complaints,
> comments,
> and suggestions about the administration of the list should be addressed
> to
> the administrator at , not to the list.
>
> As others have already written, it is within the guidelines of this list
> to
> discuss the DNA tests available and the firms that offer them. These
> discussions help subscribers make informed decisions on what tests to
> take.
> There are some restrictions that apply to representatives of the testing
> services, but David is not one of those, and his message is within the
> list
> guidelines. There was no "sneaky advertising" in the message.
>
> Jim Bullock
> Administrator, Genealogy-DNA Mail List
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Spence [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:43 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [DNA] Ethnoancestry Offers YSTR18 Haplotype Test
>
> What a sneaky way to advertise a service or product that requires payment
> for services rendered. I bring your attention to the subject line above.
> At
> what point is a peddler required to set up his/her own websites for
> advertising, pricing and in general, peddling items, instead of using a
> public domain? I thought that would be an an eBAY thing?
>
> WEBMASTER: Would you explain at what point you draw the line for
> advertising products on this website, aside from not allowing prices
> quotes?
>
> jon
>
>
>
> David Wilson <> wrote:
> Roxanne,
>
> The RQMV2 haplotype has some differences in it that, in combination, set
> it
> apart from the modal R1b haplotype over 37 markers. It stands at a genetic
> distance of five from Modal R1b. Here's a comparison:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9nuvx
>
> The differences occur at 390, 449, 464a, 460 and 570.
>
> There are lots of matches at the 12-marker level, but that is because
> those
> markers predominantly show the modal R1b values. And 390, while not modal,
> shows a value that is not exactly rare in R1b.
>
> In a collection of 4000+ R1b haplotypes, only a dozen and half show 449=28
> AND 460=10. (David Faux knows one of them!) A couple have roots in
> Germany,
> a couple more in Italy. Among those without specified European origins,
> the
> surnames look sort of generally English -- maybe German, too, depending on
> how you take Sanders.
>
> The comparative evidence is way too thin to make a prediction, but I would
> stay open to the possibility that your husband might turn out positive on
> EA's S28 test. That's what David Faux is -- the only one in the public
> data
> bases so far -- and you share the unusual 449/460 marker doublet with him.
> To be sure, your husband also differs from the Faux haplotype at a couple
> of
> places. That might point away from a possible positive test on S28. So
> it's
> an open question.
>
> I'm not advising the test, but I want you to be aware of it as a
> possibility. In any event, your husband's haplotype is not as "plain
> vanilla" as you originally thought.
>
> David W.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roxanne Pendleton [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:12 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Ethnoancestry Offers YSTR18 Haplotype Test
>
> Yes, this is my husband's line and the Pendleton is my paternal line. My
> husband is at Y search
> RQMV2 Thank you for looking at it maybe there is something that would leap
> out to someone else.
>
>
>>From: "David Wilson"
>>Reply-To:
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: [DNA] Ethnoancestry Offers YSTR18 Haplotype Test
>>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:10:45 -0800
>>
>>Roxanne,
>>
>>Just one point about differentiation: while one will always learn
>>something from a panel of SNP tests, that doesn't mean you will always
>>have an informative positive result in the package. Sometimes (as in my
>>case so far), all the downstream SNPs will come back negative. That
>>leaves me in haplogroup R1b1c* (or R1b3*, as we are using unofficial
>>and official nomenclature systems simultaneously these days; whatever
>>label you put on it, I am M269+).
>>
>>But remember that other people are getting SNP tests too. As some of
>>them test positive on this SNP or that one, they and their kin are
>>moved out of the undifferentiated collection. Today the R1b1c* clade
>>is about 20 - 25% smaller than it was just six months ago, largely as a
>>result of the new SNP tests offered by EthnoAncestry. As new SNPs are
>>developed and people are tested for them, the "remainder" subclade
>>becomes better defined by default.
>>
>>But I think there is a larger question you posed. If you are looking
>>for matches to help with family history or finding possible kin among
>>individuals with differing surnames, then you are better off ordering
>>additional STRs than SNP refinements.
>>
>>There is a Pendleton haplotype in Ysearch (2YEUW), but that haplotype
>>is unambiguously I1a. I take it this haplotype would reflect your
>>paternal ancestry and is not your husband's results. Is his haplotype on
> Ysearch?
>>I'd
>>be happy to take a look at it and tell you if anything jumps to my eye.
>>You say his haplotype is modal at "almost every marker." But there may
>>be something to be said about the ones where he differs.
>>
>>David Wilson
>>Wilson Surname Project Co-Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>>On 12/19/2005 10:35:54 AM, Robert Stafford ()
>>wrote:
>> > A lot of R1bs only differ by a few markers from the modal. However,
>> > in combination with the surname, 37 markers is more than sufficent.
>> > Unless you have reason to believe that there is a false paternity,
>> > you don't need to concern yourself with matches with other surnames.
>> >
>> > If he has a documented genealogy with gaps, it is possible that a
>>fortuitous mutation might show up to tag his branch. However, this is
>>really hit or miss and is expensive. I recommend this approach only
>>after intitial deep testing of genealogies, so there will be enough
>>donors to isolate the mutation.
>> >
>> > Bob Stafford
>> >
>> > Roxanne Pendleton wrote:
>> > Perhaps you can give me some direction. I had my husband's DNA run
>> > for 37 markers and found he is an Rb1 (M343). At almost every marker
>> > his result is the same as the highest percentile of Rb1 people.
>> > Nothing at all remarkable. Nothing. What if any, snps should I run
>> > to differentiate him from the herd? Should I do additional markers
>> > or snps? Curious.
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: David Faux
>> > >Reply-To:
>> > >To:
>> > >Subject: Re: [DNA] Ethnoancestry Offers YSTR18 Haplotype Test
>> > >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 0
>>
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