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From: "James R Carr" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] New R1b and its subclades Haplogroup Project Launched
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:00:55 -0800
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An illustration is in an old story. A king who was the wisest man in the
worl,decided one day that he should write down his knowledg for his subjects
when he was gone. So commisiond all the learned men in the kingdom to write
it down. They came back after about 15 years with a large room full of
books. It's too much the king said, nobody will ever read it. You must
condense it. Three year later they came back with a six foot pile of books.
It's still too much he said, condense it. Six months later they came back
with a single sheet of paper. That's more like it said the king. On it was
written "there aint no free lunch."
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Faux" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] New R1b and its subclades Haplogroup Project Launched

> Jim:
> You have touched on a reality that is seldom noted since the over riding
> concern for consumers everywhere is one thing. If a company goes "out on
> a limb" to develop a half dozen brand new informative SNPs within a
> haplogroup then they must test large numbers of research samples from
> across the Continent where that haplogroup is seen most frequently. Think
> about a company making new software and plowing everything back into
> development. They are taking a calculated gamble but if they have
> something that is truly unique the public will beat a path to their door.
> As that happens then what you mention below takes place over time, and
> they go on to develop even more advanced products based at least in part
> on market demand but also perhaps what they find intellectually to be of
> interest. It is an evolutionary process that has its parallels in any
> business. Some companies are leaders in establishing new tools, others
> are forging new paths, but all are needed in order for t!
> he field
> to have the momentum to move in a forward direction on all fronts and for
> the consumer to ultimately reap the benefits.
> David Faux.
> James R Carr <> wrote:
> In comparing the two side by side they both test the same markers to
> R1b1c*
> it's when you want to test somethin other then the Marligen kicks in and
> at
> about $90 bucks when I took it, it is reasonable It is when you want to go
> deeper it gets expensive for the time being. Probably less once they
> recoup
> their developmental costs.
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Stafford"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] New R1b and its subclades Haplogroup Project Launched
>>I see now. I thought he meant the rare markers were extraneous.
>> The multiplex tests has as many markers below M269 as "The Works," so
>> they can be had for much less than a $200 test. They each test one the
>> other doesn't, the last time I looked. They get most of them, so their
>> R1b1c* is pretty much in accordnace with the two different trees.
>> If someone wants R1b1c* according to the trees (on nearly so), he would
>> have to take the multiplex or "The Works," so FTDNA wouldn't be an
>> option.
>> Bob Stafford
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