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From: "James R Carr" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] New R1b and its subclades Haplogroup Project Launched
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:05:00 -0800
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You get to it from the haplo tag on your personal page if you are R1b. They
don't list the test on their general listing. It's only been out about a
week. for me it's found at
http://www.familytreedna.com/(ijs2iz45rkbase55dp3j5emi)/trs_str_Haplo_DeepSNP.aspx?hap=R1b&upgrade=0
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Stafford" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] New R1b and its subclades Haplogroup Project Launched


> JIm,
>
> There is a link from their main page and it compares the markers tested
> and shows the subclade trees. Are you saying that you link to something
> different?
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/deepclade.html
>
> I think you may misunderstand how R1b1c* is defined. It doesn't have a
> single marker that defines it (as with all those correctly ending in *).
>
> Bob Stafford
>
> James R Carr <> wrote: Bob,
> This is a new test they just announced a few days ago. I went on their
> site
> and compared what they said they were testing against what the marligen
> multiplex stated that they tested for me. You have to link to it off your
> personel page and then only if you are elgible. I am because I'm R1b
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Stafford"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] New R1b and its subclades Haplogroup Project Launched
>
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> FTDNA does not test to R1b1c*, based on their 2005 tree. They only
>> test
>> to R1b1c. Marligen and "The Works" both test it x a few markers whose
>> utility is a little dubious. I would opt for the multiplex (at EA or
>> DNAH) plus fill-ins at EA for R1b, given the small difference in price.
>> It is a long shot, but, if a person tests postive for one of the rare
>> markers, the extra $16-20 will be well worth it.
>>
>> For R1a, it looks like FTDNA would be the most economical choice for
>> those who have tested there, since all firms appear to test the same
>> markers.
>>
>> IIf an informed consumer, wants to aid EA's research and/or wants the
>> most certainty for his results, ordering "The Works" or other tests at
>> EA
>> makes a lot of sense. They do seem to be making some useful
>> discoveries.
>> Given the previous lack of progress on R1b, their research is clearly
>> something of value that should be factored in.
>>
>> Bob Stafford
>>
>>
>> James R Carr wrote: In comparing the two side by side
>> they both test the same markers to R1b1c*
>> it's when you want to test somethin other then the Marligen kicks in and
>> at
>> about $90 bucks when I took it, it is reasonable It is when you want to
>> go
>> deeper it gets expensive for the time being. Probably less once they
>> recoup
>> their developmental costs.
>> Jim
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Stafford"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DNA] New R1b and its subclades Haplogroup Project Launched
>>
>>
>>>I see now. I thought he meant the rare markers were extraneous.
>>>
>>> The multiplex tests has as many markers below M269 as "The Works," so
>>> they can be had for much less than a $200 test. They each test one the
>>> other doesn't, the last time I looked. They get most of them, so their
>>> R1b1c* is pretty much in accordnace with the two different trees.
>>>
>>> If someone wants R1b1c* according to the trees (on nearly so), he
>>> would
>>> have to take the multiplex or "The Works," so FTDNA wouldn't be an
>>> option.
>>>
>>> Bob Stafford
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Actually what he said was that the testing path for R1b1c* at FTDNA was
>>> the
>>> same as the multiplex, but less expensive, and without all the
>>> extraneous
>>> markers. He also said the testing doesn't go any deeper, but neither
>>> does
>>> anyone
>>> else unless you want to pay $200.
>>>
>>> He was describing a product and company he was happy with. He was not,
>>> as
>>> you said, pointing out the markers FTDNA did not test for nor whether
>>> the
>>> test
>>> was worthwhile.
>>>
>>> Bill D
>>>
>>> --------------------
>>> In a message dated 12/23/2005 10:44:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I don't think you followed everything. This had to do with the
>>> subclades
>>> tested. FTDNA does not test the rare markers. However, James Carr
>>> brought up
>>> the point that was missing. It really depends on whether they are
>>> worthwhile
>>> testing.
>>>
>>> Bob Stafford
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Finding the info on their test is interesting. You go thru the
>>> haplogroup
>>> tag on your personal page. The deep clad path for R1b1c* is the same as
>>> the
>>> marlingen I got without the extraneous markers and costs less.( $75 )
>>> They won't
>>> get you deeper than that at the moment. But neither will anyone else
>>> unless
>>> you want to spring for around $200. And their turn around time has been
>>> darn
>>> good lately.
>>> Jim
>>>
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