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From: "Phil Goff" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] What DNA testing can and cannot tell you
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:50:59 -0600
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I hope Jim doesn't mind, but I want to give the post-script as there's some
immediate hope still in this story. Jim and I emailed back and forth a
couple of times privately after the below message. Of the two Honeychuck
entries at FTDNA, only one is he only used FTDNA for his mtDNA test, while
he used DNAH for Y-DNA. Thanks,

Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "James A. Honeychuck" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] What DNA testing can and cannot tell you


> Phil,
>
> Both those FTDNA entries would be me, one for mtDNA and the other for
> Y-DNA. My Y-DNA entries are already in both ysearch and ybase. Anyway,
> it's a one-off Americanized surname so it's no help in finding relatives I
> don't know about.
>
> I suppose I could start a project with all the earlier variants, Haneczak
> etc.
>
> Thanks for calling my attention to J2 vs. J1. Results from EA changed
> what DNA Heritage originally found.
>
> With Goff/Gough, you have a challenge in that the surname seems to have
> originated twice, once in Ireland and again in Wales, and then the Welsh
> version went to Ireland and the Irish version went to Wales and England.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Phil Goff wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Your understanding of the purpose of Y-DNA testing for "way back when and
>> about very recent times" covers a lot of territory and generally seems
>> accurate.
>>
>> I have a similar problem with a rare haplotype. I started the Goff
>> project in September 2004 to find another Goff family that matches my
>> own. I've done a lot of recruiting and have matched up a lot of men named
>> Goff and Gough, but none with my own family for which I've triangulated
>> the haplotype back to the early 1700s. In your case as in mine, it's just
>> a matter of time before the right person gets tested and we find surname
>> matches. However, here are things that may help to accelerate the
>> process:
>>
>>> There are two men in FTDNA's database named Honeychuck. However, it
>>> appears there is no Honeychuck project at FTDNA and it appears that
>>> neither man has uploaded to ysearch or ybase. These two may have joined
>>> via the NGS project. For $99, I suggest you start a Honeychuck project
>>> at FTDNA and try to capture these two results. While the $99 is
>>> technically for the 12-marker test, it is really buying you access to a
>>> rapidly growing database.
>>> If you start a project, develop a clear strategy and recruit those men
>>> that are needed to prove or disprove a theory. Soon you will see
>>> patterns and groupings and, maybe, your result will fall into one of
>>> those groups.
>>> You may consider updating your ybase entry to reflect your SNP-tested J1
>>> as it currently reflects J2. I think it is important to have the right
>>> information in all places so as to not give anyone a reason to question
>>> if there's a connection.
>>
>>
>> Keep the faith. Thanks,
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Honeychuck"
>> <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:17 AM
>> Subject: [DNA] What DNA testing can and cannot tell you
>>
>>
>>> Hope everyone is enjoying the holidays.
>>>
>>> It is dawning on me that my frustration at finding no matches, no
>>> relatives, and no definite origins through Y-DNA testing is probably due
>>> to my initial lack of understanding about the purpose of the tests. I
>>> think I now understand correctly that Y-STR and Y-SNP testing are
>>> basically to determine deep ancestry and relatedness among living
>>> people; that is, information about way back when and about very recent
>>> times. And if I understand Thomas Krahn correctly, autosomal testing is
>>> basically for whatever you think it might mean, with no claim that it
>>> will reveal origins of any age.
>>>
>>> So as for determining where your Y-line ancestors were a thousand years
>>> ago, no form of testing can do that, right?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Y-DNA J1
>>
>>
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