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From: "James R Carr" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Haplogroup I1*x
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:31:55 -0800
References: <01c001c61099$12cccc10$0101a8c0@HighReaches.local> <000801c6109a$a5aa0970$b6559045@Ken1> <43BADC99.1070901@kerchner.com> <000601c610a5$883598e0$b6559045@Ken1> <43BAF59E.7040907@kerchner.com> <004201c610bb$b7332930$b6559045@Ken1>


Why bother to pay Natl Geo for the privilege of donating your results to
them if it's all going to be unavailable to all but the ivory tower crowd.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Haplogroup I1*x


> Calm down Charles. FTDNA and NatGeo have sufficient cheer leading squad
> on the list. A different opinion can be expressed now and then.
>
> Ken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Haplogroup I1*x
>
>
>> Ken:
>>
>> You said:
>> "The NatGeo/FTDNA 12 marker tests were a setback for the whole field."
>>
>> and then I said to you the organizations have different goals than you.
>>
>> And then you say:
>> "But this is 2006, not 2001, and I am talking about now - the recent
>> NatGeo/FTDNA collaboration. I don't think there is any reason to market
>> a 12 marker haplotype today!"
>>
>> It's not simply different points in time and what was available then and
>> what is available now ... it is different goals!
>>
>> FTDNA and the National Geographic Society have different goals than you
>> do. They are not exploring subclades and deep subclades with the
>> Genographic Project to the depth you are.
>>
>> I suggest you take the data where you can get it and don't bemoan so much
>> that they are not providing exactly what you want for your specialized I
>> haplogroup subclade project and don't be so critical of them.
>>
>> The large and growing 12 marker database is at least a very good pool of
>> people from which you can data-mine and subsequently target people to
>> suggest for upgrading to get the more specific data you want. I know you
>> have done that before.
>>
>> I see this Genographic Project as a net positive to all of us, genetic
>> genealogists and anthrogenealogists, even if the Genographic Project is
>> only using 12 markers. It got a lot of people to test who would not have
>> done so otherwise. We should thank them for it. It is turning into a very
>> synergistic tool and a good resource for our field. I was not so sure in
>> the beginning either. But I now see the Genographic Project as a net
>> positive for all of us ... very much so.
>>
>> As to snow ... I'm a year older as of Sunday so I don't relish the idea
>> of heavy snow either. But I do have an 8 horsepower Ariens snow blower.
>> I'm ready for any nor-easter. We get lots of snow in PA too.
>>
>> Happy New Year.
>>
>> Charles Kerchner
>> http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm
>>
>> Ken Nordtvedt wrote:
>>> But this is 2006, not 2001, and I am talking about now - the recent
>>> NatGeo/FTDNA collaboration. I don't think there is any reason to market
>>> a 12 marker haplotype today!
>>>
>>> I could list the problems with them, but I won't belabor the point.
>>>
>>> Ken (the new year started for me with extended driveway snowplowing
>>> activities - ugh)
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Haplogroup I1*x
>>>> Ken:
>>>> Are you kidding with that statement? The FTDNA 12 marker test
>>>> basically created this whole new field of Genetic Genealogy five years
>>>> ago. Let's not be too harsh on FTDNA. As to Natl Geo's Project they are
>>>> not delving into subclades to the extent you are. So don't be so harsh
>>>> on these two organizations. They have different goals then you do.
>>>> Welcome back. And best wishes for a happy new year.
>>>> Charles Kerchner
>>>> http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm
>>
>>
>>>> Ken Nordtvedt wrote:
>>>>> The NatGeo/FTDNA 12 marker tests were a setback for the whole field.
>>
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