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From: "Sue Waite-Langley" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] RE: Haplogroup Projects
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:45:20 -0600
In-Reply-To: <0ML2Dk-1EwKhq1Akz-0005pl@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de>


Rex, I'm not even sure how or where to begin to respond to this email.
For MONTHS there were emails on this list bemoaning the fact that people
could not join more than one study at FTDNA and requesting that FTDNA
allow people to join more than one project. They responded by allowing
their subjects to join two projects. Emails STILL came into THIS list
stating that people were still not satisfied and wanted to be able to
join a third project.

NOW THAT FTDNA HAS RESPONDED TO THE REQUESTS OF THEIR CUSTOMERS YOU ARE
SUGGESTING IT IS A MARKETING PLOY?

It is nothing but GOOD customer service and providing to their customers
what they've asked for...some of whom spent money years ago and are
still getting value for the dollars spent. The ability for "experts" on
their own family or geographic or haplotype groups to view as many
results as possible in one place only furthers the advances that the
Genetic Genealogy community can make as a whole. The ability to join
multiple projects allows group administrators the ability to do just
this easily without having to spend countless hours mining data. There
is no "freezing out" of the competition but only a broadening of the
perspectives from which problems and trends are being analyzed. If you
don't like these study groups at FTDNA and feel you can't participate
fully enough...start your own group at one of the testing companies
where you have more results available. There's nothing stopping you from
approaching the management of any of the other firms and requesting
their assistance to get that program moving forward there...

I am REALLY getting tired of the constant attacks on FTDNA. I feel like
this list has become nothing but a steady stream of talking points for a
coordinated attack on one of the pioneer companies in the field of
Genetic Genealogy.

Sue

-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Johnson [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:43 AM
To:
Subject: [DNA] RE: Haplogroup Projects

Dear Bill, Charles and the List,
I am starting to feel some concern at the explosion of "Projects"
started in
recent weeks under the umbrella of one testing company.
I have a full range of Y-STR markers from DNAH, and DNA-FP. I have SNPs
from
DNAH and EA, and mtDNA HRV1 and 2 from OA and DNA-FP. I also have the
Genographic markers from FTDNA. So, living in England, I have tried the
field, and from experience can say that all contacts with all firms have
been excellent, I rate them all (though a certain one has become a bit
moribund). I am keen, and have tried to put my results out wherever
there is
a public access database.
Charles, a few days ago, set up an R1b Haplogroup Project at FTDNA. I
have
submitted my handful of Genographic markers to this, but can't have any
of
the other 50 or so available included, as they were not FTDNA tested.
Bill today has announced a FTDNA haplogroup K Project. My results have
been
included in his recent K summaries, but I can't join the latest project
since, again, I was not FTDNA tested, and there is no way I need to have
them tested again.
Charles has said he will provide a more open access Rib facility
sometime in
the future, but how many other Projects will open up in this way?
It is great that there is so much activity. I am not complaining about
that.
The last few months have given R1b folks like me something to think
about
for a change.
What worries me is that I was under the impression we needed 'more'
results
to discover the patterns we are all looking for, not less. What has
recently
got underway seems like a marketing situation which could freeze out
some of
the competition.
Ybase is 'open' to all. I have a full set of results on ysearch, and
Thomas
Krahn has set up a further 'open' possibility.
If people like me are locked out of study groups I think it is to the
detriment of what we are doing. Is there any possibility that a more
liberal
approach will be offered in the future?
Best of wishes, Rex

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