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From: thomas goulde <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Newsweek Article: In your Blood (DNA Testing)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:41:01 -0500
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Mr. Whritenour,

An equally important question is why Mr. Joseph consented to take any
DNA test at all, insofar as he, evidently, consistently passed both
mirror tests - the one on the wall and that of his community. Did he
have doubt, a question, a need for greater self-definition? Did he find
himself different from his community, isolated? Or was he a proud and
successful community member keen for the ornaments of a genealogy?

We will never know, but we might suppose.

Whatever the inadequacies of current DNA tests, the mirror test is not
sufficient.

Mr. Goulde

On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Raymond Whritenour wrote:

> Tom G.:
>
> Mr. Joseph would have done well to rely on the mirror test, rather than
> the BGA test he took. He spent $600 on DNA testing with FTDNA (they
> were offering the DNAPrint test, at that time), but the BGA test was
> only about $160. He never let the public know the results of his
> Y-chromosome and mtDNA tests. Also, he declined a re-test, *after*
> DNAPrint genomics, Inc. "fixed" their algorithm. With such an
> interesting BGA profile, how come we haven't heard anything about him
> since 2003. Were other family members BGA tested? What were their
> results? Did they take the newer 2.5 test? What happened to the book
> he was writing about all this?
>
> Ray Whritenour
>
> P.S. - As an aside, you might want to ask yourself why FTDNA *really*
> stopped offering the DNAPrint BGA test.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> I guess that Mr. Joseph passed Raymond W's mirror test.
>
> Tom
>
> On Jan 30, 2006, at 4:52 PM, Philip Ritter wrote:
>
> I finally glanced at the Newsweek article on line and was pleased to
> see
> that Brian Hamman was featured in the lead paragraph. Brian was one of
> the first two participants in our Hamman surname project and is
> co-administrator. He has posted here in the past and has a website with
> modals for y-haplogroup G
> (http://www.brian-hamman.com/ModalsForG.htm). Congratulations, Brian.
>
> The case of Wayne Joseph was also featured in the last paragraph. This
> was the fellow who grew up an African-American but was declared to have
> 0% African admixture after taking a DNA Print test. If I recall soon
> after the case was initially publicized on national TV, DNA Print found
> they had been making a mistake and leaving out the minority percentage
> African American from their results (I'm not exactly sure of the
> details, but I'm sure someone could find this in the archives). Does
> anyone know if Mr Joseph was given the 2.5 test to confirm the initial
> findings? Or is it possible that the case has not been followed up for
> fear of embarrassment after all the initial publicity?
>
>
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