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Subject: Re: [DNA] Colla vs Dalriata
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:11:02 EST
In a message dated 2/2/2006 4:49:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
(mailto:) , Ed
writes:
<The main O'Neill line (cluster of 26 of the 80 O'Neills) in the TCD study
has 24 at 390, not 25.
<Ed
I'm still reviewing the TCD findings, but I do tend to agree with Ed, based
on my own research to date, that the main (dynastic) line of the O'NEILLs is
24 at DYS #390. I am the O'CAHAN Chief and am WAMH with 24 at DYS #390.
Traditionally, the O'CAHANs were the senior cadet branch of the UiNEILL,
descended from Conchobar, son of King Fergal (r. 710-722). Thus far Y-DNA results
support my paper trail.
The relatively large group of O'KANEs, McCAINs, etc. around Dungiven in Co.
Derry are predominantly 25 at DYS #390. I'm quite certain that they
represent the Ciannachta who were taken over about 1130, relatively bloodlessly, by
the O'CAHANs who were probably a much less numerous military cadre in the
service of the O'NEILLs.
The Ciannachta were settled in the area of Dungiven (formerly Glengiven) by
the UiNeill by the 6th or 7th C., and most likely are O'CEINs, though they
now have the identical surname variants as the O'CAHANs. Thus they may be an
earlier offshoot of the UiNEILL prior to NIALL, The significant numbers of
them who have tested in my project and the McCAIN project average about a GD
of 8 to me at 25 markers.
Tentatively, I'm having doubts about some of the traditional claims of
descent from NIALL, including my own which could be a separate or distantly
related warrior caste later rewarded for their successes. There are multiple
O'NEILL and O'CAHAN lines of clearly widely separated origin distinguishable by 24
or 25 at #390. The same is true for traditional sub-septs of O'CAHAN such
as McHENRY and O'HAGAN.
Comments welcome.
Len Keane
(O'Cahan)
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