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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Colla vs Dalriata
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:39:34 -0700
References: <fa.24a3b182.311d6c28@aol.com> <43ECB030.3070006@scs.uiuc.edu>


There is definately a surname-heterogeneous cluster of Atlantic R1b
haplotypes with the combination 13,13,15,17 at DYS464 plus 8,9 at DYS459.
They seem heavily from Ireland and also Scotland to slightly lesser degree.
It is definately more than a single family motif.

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug McDonald" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Colla vs Dalriata


> wrote:
>
>> Here is my haplotype for review. I have a number of close 37 Marker
>> matches in Co. Clare, each of which can be explained in very plausible
>> O'Cahan historical context, both pre-surname and in recent centuries, -:
>>
>> 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 8 9 11 11
>> 25 15 18 29 13 13 15 17 11 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 35 39 12
>> 12
>
> 13 13 15 17 at 464 is esoteric for R1b. 8-9 at 459 is
> unusual.
>
> In the Clan Donald we have one near-match who is 13 13 15 16 at
> 464 and 8-9 at 459. He mismatches at two very fast places in the
> third panel, at that 16 versus 17 at 464d, by one each at
> 448 and 449, is 25 at 390, and by one at 439. This 30/37
> match would have a most probable TMRCA right about at
> Niall himself. When plotted on a Fluxus chart of the
> R1b Clan Donald, leaving out 464, our guy fits clearly in
> the pruported "Irish Niall" area. However, when plotted
> using parsimony or distance using PAUP* *similar to
> McEwan's chart) on teh R1b Clan Donald, he is way out in
> an amorphous area, because of the 13-13 at 464ab.
>
> This is an usual haplotype. If you really are a male-line
> descendant of Niall, you should be able to find others who
> are equally as close as the guy I found at the Clan Donald,
> and have at least some of the esotericisms. And ... have
> the proper paper trails! In this case more markers would be
> very useful and more matching people with paper trails essential.
>
> Doug McDonald
>
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