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From: Gary Merrill <>
Subject: Re: Parallel mutations (Was: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors), etc
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:06:52 -0600

In our surname project we apparently have independent mutations involving DYS449 (31>32) in three lines, and two mutations in DYS389ii (30>29) in two other lines, all having a common ancestor in the mid-1600's. The ancestor was one of the sons of the immigrant, who came from England in 1638. The ancestral 31 is inferred because all the other lines from this immigrant have that value. The number of generations is at least 8, but the exact number is uncertain because these particular haplotypes come from the Sorensen site, which does not show living individuals. Another interesting factoid is that there are 10+ haplotypes (again, with Sorensen there might be duplicates) some of whom differ pairwise on as many as 5 markers. If we didn't know better, we might think it was unlikely that they had a common ancestor only 8-10 generations back. The kicker is that this family is not coming from the undifferentiated mass of R1b, but G. Out of the founder population of immigrants to New England in the 1600's, how many were G? considering the pool they came from is now (and presumably was at the time) less than 3% of the total population of England?

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Re: Parallel mutations (Was: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors), etc by Gary Merrill <>

Re: Parallel mutations by charles <>
- Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Terry Barton" <>
  - Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Michael Corson <>
  - Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Robert Stafford <>
    - RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Terry Barton" <>
      - RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by OrinWells <>
        RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Terry Barton" <>
  - Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by charles <>
  - Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by (John Chandler)
    - RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Terry Barton" <>
      - Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Clyde Rice <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by OrinWells <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Robert Stafford <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Robert Stafford <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Doug McDonald <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by OrinWells <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Clyde Rice <>
        RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Sue Waite-Langley" <>
        RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Clyde Rice <>
        RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Sue Waite-Langley" <>
        RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Clyde Rice <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Hal Whitmore <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Clyde Rice <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Doug McDonald <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Doug McDonald <>
        RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Sue Waite-Langley" <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Doug McDonald <>
        RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Sue Waite-Langley" <>
        RE: [DNA] Parallel Mutations, was = Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by Clyde Rice <>
        RE: [DNA] Parallel Mutations, was = Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Nancy Custer" <>
        Re: [DNA] Parallel Mutations, was = Earliest common ancestors for37/37 and 43/43 matches by charles <>
        Re: [DNA] Parallel Mutations, was = Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "William Hurst" <>
        Re: [DNA] Parallel Mutations, was = Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by <>
        Re: [DNA] Parallel Mutations, was = Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "William Hurst" <>
        Re: [DNA] Parallel Mutations, was = Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Peter A. Kincaid" <>
        RE: [DNA] Parallel Mutations by OrinWells <>
        Re: [DNA] Parallel Mutations by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] Parallel Mutations by Clyde Rice <>
        RE: [DNA] Parallel Mutations by Clyde Rice <>
        RE: [DNA] Parallel Mutations by OrinWells <>
        RE: [DNA] Parallel Mutations by "Roberta J. Estes" <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by (John Chandler)
        RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Sue Waite-Langley" <>
      - RE: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by OrinWells <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by charles <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by charles <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by charles <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by charles <>
        RE:John Chandler's Mutation analysis - was [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Terry Barton" <>
        RE: John Chandler's Mutation Rate analysis - was [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by "Terry Barton" <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by OrinWells <>
        Re: [DNA] Earliest common ancestors for 37/37 and 43/43 matches by charles <>