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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] More on an Irish 24/10 R1b Variety; S21+?
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:31:26 -0700
References: <000601c6380a$a7931320$130110ac@macdonaldlaw.com>


Mark, I don't want this message exchange to get too confusing, because I
started out talking about the South Irish extended haplotype variety of R1b
which looks quite different than the North Irish R1b or Scot R1b. But
getting to the 24/10 = 390,391 with 11,15 at 385 and 19,24 at YCAIIa,b; it
seems to be basically an auxiliary or genetic near neighbor of the standard
Scot R1b which has the normal 11,14 at 385. They share the further
anomalies (from Atlantic modal haplotype) at 461, C4, H4, 444, and the 30 at
389ii. This 11/15 auxiliary of the Scot R1b also shifts its modal from
15,15,17,17 at 464 to 15,15,16,17. I find about 18 of them in SMGF with
pedigrees focusing on Scotland.

I believe the South Irish variety of R1b which I laid out below has an
entirely different history than both the Scot and the North Irish varieties.
And tantalizingly, one person who looks to be from the South Irish variety
is SNP tested to be S21+ unlike the Scot R1b and North Irish R1b who I
understand have turned up S21- so far in tested cases.

Ken


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark MacDonald" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [DNA] More on an Irish 24/10 R1b Variety; S21+?


> Ken
>
> I'm 5HWPH, R1b1c S 21- sitting on the Ethnoancestry chart at STR 47 Scot
> est
> right next to Richard McGregor who is similarly listed but for differing
> mutations. If you check the Campbell web site ,you will find that 11 15
> dominates over 11 14 for both the chiefs and many clansmen.The Campbell
> homeland was Lorne before they began to invent more elevated ancestry.
>>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Nordtvedt [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:37 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA] More on an Irish 24/10 R1b Variety; S21+?
>
>South Irish R1b.
>
> 391 = 10
> 385b = 15
> 442 = 13
> 439 = 11
> 447 = 24
> C4 = 24
> 456 = 15


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