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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] What exactly do my results mean
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:09:50 -0700
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The Irish pedigrees invariably go back to South Ireland. The Cusac one,
unfortunately, just says "Ireland".


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> <I don't know the "beginning" of the posts for this either. In my
> catalog
> of
> <varieties of R1b I have the small Irish one with 8,9 at 459 and the
> <13,13,15,17 at 464. I believe the 8,9 at 459 resulted from a
> single-step
> <mutation from the rather robust 9,9 population of R1bs which is present
> most
> <everywhere (9,10 is the dominant modal). But this variety with unique
> 459
> <and 464 has a definite Irish connection, with such surnames as Lynch,
> Casey,
> <Cusic, Hogan, Bryan, Bryant, O-Dea, Burke, and now your Dorsey from
> Ireland.
>
> <Ken
>
> Ken and All:
>
>
> I may have kicked off some of the discussions of this unique haplotype,
> both
> on and off the list. You might want to check my personal web page at -:
>
> _http://hometown.aol.com/dolmenx/myhomepage/index.html_
> (http://hometown.aol.com/dolmenx/myhomepage/index.html)
>
> I'm working on a second page of discussion of this comparatively rare
> result. I have found a cluster in a very confined area of west Clare
> which I
> attribute to adoptions/ fosterings of orphaned children of my own KEANE
> family.
> These are BUTLER, O'BRIEN and CASEY with GDs of 4-5 with me. I've found
> a
> number of others above GD 6 spread out from NW Ireland (Donegal) down
> thru the
> Midlands and into the Tipperary/ Limerick/Clare region. This may suggest
> a
> possibly widespread pre-surname tribal group, perhaps now reduced in
> numbers.
>
> I note the names CUSIC (variant of CUSACK) and BURKE in your list. These
> are Norman surnames. Any idea where these specific ones came from in
> Ireland?
>
> As I have the only known O'CAHAN connected pedigree going back to Ulster
> at
> least to the beginning of surnames (with reservations about the Niall of
> 9H
> part), I have been able to compare it with historical events involving
> each
> of these families leading to a very plausible explanation of adoption
> rather
> than blood descent from any one of them. BUTLER is Anglo-Norman, in
> Ireland
> "only" since after 1170; O'BRIEN is usually of the Dalcassian line
> (from
> Brian 'Boru' - k. 1216), but I don't believe my match falls into that
> category,
> though they are married into my KEANE/O'CAHAN line; CASEY is also married
> into KEANE/ O'CAHAN as recently as 1714 in Clare, exactly at a time when
> arrangements for fostering must have been made with relatives.
>
> Len Keane
> (The O'CAHAN)
>
>
>
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