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From: Patrick Guinness <>
Subject: Is the CMH J1?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:18:54 +0000


I have been waiting for the 'big surprise' here for a long time. The
first paper came out in 1998 when NRY studies were beginning. My
father-in-law is Ashkenazi in his male line and would still need
rather more proof to want to be tested.

At 3:39 am +0200 8/3/06, Sasson Margaliot wrote:
>the only way to find out is to test 30 Cohanim or so for M172 (or
>even better for all the relevant SNP and STR markers
At 12:04 am -0500 8/3/06, Bonnie Schrack wrote:
> I'll look forward to the big surprise
At 6:43 pm -0800 7/3/06, ellen Levy wrote:
>I have no idea what "politically correct" Cohanim are.

All of you have made good points.


I suggest that the archaeologist Israel Finkelstein has it about
right - the two Jewish States' archaeology starts with David and
Solomon and they had a convincing origin-myth which (like the Irish
origin-myth) doesn't stand up to DNA analysis. There was probably no
Moses and Abraham.
http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/archaeology/faculty/finkelcv.html

The hill tribes involved were necessarily a mixture of Middle-eastern
male lines which is still seen today. They coalesced around an
ethical system whose survival is remarkable. It should not surprise
us that there is so much NRY variation today.


In terms of waiting, the Irish results from several thousand tests
started in 2001 and were published in 2004-06. The department in
question has a shortage of equipment and as this and any chemicals
come from the USA they cost more. Yet 3 papers have now been
produced. These provide more of a shotgun image of Irish clans, while
the private tests are more focused. Each complements the other.

In the circumstances, it is remarkable that so little has been
published, given the CMH-studying labs' much higher funding and
equipment, and FTDNA's interest.

Few know that an NRY study of Mohamed's male descents was made in the
late 1990s but could not be published because of variations found.
The shock would be too great, the risk to scientists from nutcases
would be too high, and so it was dropped. Memes and genes often tell
differing stories.
--
Best,

Patrick Guinness

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http://www.furness-house.com/
http://kildare.ie/archaeology/council-and-officers.htm
http://www.theclansofireland.ie/board2004.html
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