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From: "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Is the CMH J1?
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:43:36 -0800
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Ok Sasson,
This is the list of people that matched, within +/-1 point, 10 or more
markers in my 12 marker set as given on Ysearch(RKBPH). I used published
papers, YHRD, YBASE, and Ysearch for these data. I'm a J2a1* I think now
because I just found out that I'm DYS445<8- (negative, that is I'm
DYS445=10). The SNPs I tested positive for are M304+, M172+, M410+,
DYS413<=18+, DYS445<8- and I'm negative for all the other SNPs tested by
FTDNA for J.

Column 1: haplogroup
Column 2: number of common markers
Column 3: location
Column 4: other data

J2-M172 10 Canada
? 10 Ukraine
J2f 10 USA New York
J2-M172 10 Lithuania Jews
? 10 Lithuania
J2-M172 10 Lithuania
J-12f2.1 10 Russia Jews
J-12f2.1 10 Ukraine Jews
J-12f2.1 10 South Egypt
? 10 Russia
? 10 Russia
J2-M172 10 Ukraine Jews
J-12f2.1 10 Ukraine
J-12f2.1 10 Ukraine
J2-M172 10 Azores
? 10 USA Maryland
J-12f2.1 10 Poland
J1-M267 10 Hungry
? 10 Sicily
? 11 Hungry
J2-M172 11 Poland
? 12 Belarus
J2-M172 13 Greece
J2-M172 10 Portugal
? 10 Turkey
? 10 Germany
? 11 Somalia
J2-M172 12 Germany (exact)
J-12f2.1 11 Tunisia
J-12f2.1 10 Tunisia
J1-M267 10 Mexico Veracruz
J2-M172 10 Byelorussian Jews
J-12f2.1 10 Russia Jews
J-12f2.1 10 Russia
J2-M172 10 India

Those are my 10 or more marker matches within +/- 1 point.
10 J-12f2.1
11 J2-M172
01 J2f
02 J1-M267
11 ? (unknown)
A total of 36 cases (I hope I counted correctly).

So, Sasson, you are right, for the Y-STR markers like mine there is a
mixture of J1 and J2. In my particular case there seem to be just a few
J1's. Hey, this was interesting! Thanks Sasson ... Hold it! We don't
really know do we, because there were those 10 J-12f2.1 cases, 11
unknown cases!
Al

PS: Please note also that I have an uncomfirmed (!) suspicion that some
of those cases indicated in Behar's papers as Jewish are also in
Ysearch, but not indicated as Jewish. Well, what can I say, but rats!,
it is not easy trying to do science! So, anyway, caution, there might be
repeats in the table above.


> Sasson Margaliot wrote:

> Al,
>
> Are all these people who match 10 or more of your markers known to be
> in J2? Are there some matches who are marked as J1?
>
> There may be two partially overlapping "networks" of haplotypes, one
> in J1, and another in J2.
>
> Sasson Margaliot

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