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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] FW: dna query.
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:31:23 -0700
You would not need blood, a cheek swab will work for most testing companies.
If the Scot versus Ukrainian alternatives are on his father's paternal line,
then there is a good chance a y-dna test will be able to say something to
clarify the possibilities.
Ukrainian y-dna is heavily of a type (a haplogroup) called R1a which has
some unique identifying markers. Scot y-dna is heavily of another type,
Secondarily, Ukrainian y-dna is of a type called Dinaric I1b, while the
secondary types found in Scotland are I1a and I1c. Each type has markers
which allow it to be distinguished from the others. So he stands a good
chance of tilting the odds one way or the other between Scot versus
Things are not fool-proof, however. A tiny number of R1b folks and I1a
migrated for one reason or the other to Ukraine, while the Scandinavians who
came to Scotland 1000+ years ago brought a little R1a with them, and
Scandinavian R1a often looks somewhat like Ukrainian R1a (though
statistically they are different). However, even in these cases one can
sometimes see differences within the groups which suggest geographical place
There are public databases to compare ydna haplotypes, and people on this
list have organized the haplotypes from various regions and from the various
genetic groups, so that identification of which a particular haplotype
"belongs" to is made easier.
If he is trying to find his mother's maternal line ethnic background with
help of mt-dna, then the task is more difficult. This maternal line mt-dna
mutates much slower; and for reasons not yet understood, the groups found
within mt-dna are more mixed up and dispersed in Europe than is the male
y-dna. It is more difficult to definately associate a mt-dna group with a
particular geographical area, though some connections have been discovered.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott John (IT)" <>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:52 AM
Subject: [DNA] FW: dna query.
> I am new to this group. I have a close friend who was adopted. He might be
> able to locate his mother however they are estranged and have never met.
> If this friend of mine were to give a sample of his blood - would that
> be able to tell if he Scottish or Ukrainian ? or other known families that
> might have been previously tested ?
> This may be as close to knowing who he is then he will ever know
> And can anyone recommend a company that has a huge database that would
> fit his situation ?
> Jack Scott
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